Superhero comics and other comics.

Post by **Femto** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:19 am

Libaax wrote:JMS is 10000 the writer Bendis is.

Yeah, because linking Spider-Man to mystical shit, moving him to Stark Towers, making him an Avenger, giving him claws (or whatever the hell those things were), making his webbing organic instead of mechanic, having Peter Parker reveal his identity to Aunt May and having Gwen bear Norman Osborn's children (one of which tried to seduce Parker) were all excellent choices on Straczynski's part.

I'm sorry but Bendis is a far better Spider-Man writer than JMS will ever be.

Bendis didn't ruin Venom or Carnage in Ultimate Spider-Man because THEY ARE BOTH NEW TO THAT UNIVERSE. That's like saying orange juice ruins oranges. If you think Ultimate Spider-Man is bad because you didn't like that book's version of two characters, then we're in bad shape here.

If anything, JMS ruined Spider-Man by turning him into a character that is completely unrecognizable and unappealing. If you want to read a book about the Spider-Man we've all grown up with, Ultimate Spider-Man is the clear choice.

JMS is a good writer but Marvel needs to get him the fuck off Spider-Man already.

PS: Long after Bendis and Bagley's run is through, these Ultimate Spider-Man issues will be put on the same pedestal that Stan Lee and Steve Ditko/John Romita's run is.

It's that good.

Mark my words.

Post by **Libaax** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 3:23 am

Hehe you must be the only one to compare Bendis run of USM to Stan Lee's. Are you actually comparing one of the best runs in comic history to USM.....

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About ASM okay lately it hasnt been great but still making Spidey's power more mystical is alot better than old version.

Bendis sucked with Venom and Carnage cause he had it very easy he only had to copy two characters that was already made and fix them to be "ultimate" like. He failed horribly.

Failing at writing USM which must the easiest writing job in Marvel, taking people original ideas and making them "ultimate" shoulndt be as bad he made Ultimate.

I havent seen any hail that comic for a long time after people got over the fact that it was a restart of spidey's story.

Since most of the USM fans likes it less and lesslately, i doubt anyone will remember it as good comic let alone compare to the classics.

Just as Eldo people have going crazy about what he did to Deadpool.

Post by **Femto** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 3:41 am

Libaax wrote:Just as Eldo people have going crazy about what he did to Deadpool.

That's what you're failing to understand.

Bendis did NOT do anything to Deadpool.

The original Deadpool still exists fine and well in the regular Marvel Universe, as do Venom and Carnage (mostly).

The same cannot be said for Spider-Man however, as JMS has apparently made it his goal in life to move the character as far away from his roots as possible turning an excellent character into a shadow of himself.

The Ultimate line is not about making things "ultimate," it's about reinventing these character and modernizing them. Bendis has succeeded in doing that with Spider-Man. I've only heard praise on the series, it's something that's consistently good.

Stop dragging the regular Marvel Universe into the Ultimate line and you'll start to see how great Ultimate Spider-Man is.

As for Bendis, yeah, he writes a lot of dialogue, I won't disagree with that. The difference is that it's really good dialogue that is fun to read as opposed to say, Chris Claremont and his mindless babble.

Post by **Libaax** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 3:49 am

Actually i dont know Deadpool i just see people go crazy over how bad he is in USM. In fact im gonna start reading Deadpool.

I understand them cause when i read Venom i was so angry and coulndt believe how bad he wrote him.

No matter what you say fans of the amazing will compare characters if they are alright in USM its okay but if they suck then it annoys you,you cant help it.

Also when i start reading USM i didnt really know spiderman, it was when i got tired of Bendis crappy writing that i did went back to read issue 1-500+ of amazing.

So i wasnt comparing amazing to USM atleast before Venom sucked too much in USM.

The only reason i liked USM and i know many did was that it was a kind of reboot of spidey stories and the first arcs was good and then they start going from bad to crap to even worse.

The only run of Bendis i have read that is good was DD and that was mostly cause of the stories got lifted by the amazing art and Bendis himself didnt put 1000000000000000 words in every page.

Post by **Femto** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 4:17 am

Spider-Man pretty much died when Stan Lee left the book. I don't see why you'd even want to read 500+ issues of clones and subpar writing. I started collecting Spider-Man hardcore when Ben Reilly took the mantle (only to drop the books years after during the whole "Aunt May didn't die, that was actually an actress" nonsense and the subsequent relaunch) and nothing I read during that time came even close to USM.

Bendis distilled all the nonsense contained in the Spider-Man books and brought the character back to life. That's why he gets my praise, because he's writing the best Spider-Man stories I've ever read, except for vintage Stan Lee stuff maybe. I can't understand how somebody is incapable of seeing that, maybe it's because you're relatively new to the character.

You're just hating on Bendis and USM because they took characters you liked and moved them in a direction you didn't like.

I could bitch until my cheeks turn red about the Green Goblin not having a glider but I don't.

You know why?

Because the Goblin in USM is not the Green Goblin, it's the Green Goblin reinvented.

Post by **Eldo** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 4:58 am

What I liked about the Ultimate series was revitalisation of characters and points of character development of the heroes and villains. So far, I have thoroughly enjoyed X-Men, Ultimates, etc counterpart in the Ultimate universe than in the 616 Universe. I loved Captain Marvel in the Extinction arc more than the original. These characters could be brought into the Ultimate universe, have their characters and altitudes completely re-written, and leave in the good traits and write out the bad.

That being said, Deadpool did not bring anything special to me. I had high anticipation for him and brand of crazy humour, but it seems there is nothing funny about Deadpool at all. Sure, the Merc with a Mouth talks a lot in the Ultimate version, but he wasn't humourous at all. I would have cared less if he didn't have a healing factor, or his head is in a glass bubble. I liked the Deadpool in the video game more than I did in the Ultimates comic. Deadpool is probably the only character I like in the 616 than the Ultimate version. Any Deadpool fan would be devastated and disappointed about the Ultimate treatment.

I'm not being a purist about the 616 Universe or, 'that's not the way it was in the original storyline'. But he just ruined Deadpool. I feel that Mark Millar could had brought Deadpool to a better direction when he had his run on X-Men. He would have handled it better. And to be honest, Bendis' stuff is declining on quality right now.

Post by **Libaax** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:37 pm

Eldo wrote:What I liked about the Ultimate series was revitalisation of characters and points of character development of the heroes and villains. So far, I have thoroughly enjoyed X-Men, Ultimates, etc counterpart in the Ultimate universe than in the 616 Universe. I loved Captain Marvel in the Extinction arc more than the original. These characters could be brought into the Ultimate universe, have their characters and altitudes completely re-written, and leave in the good traits and write out the bad.

That being said, Deadpool did not bring anything special to me. I had high anticipation for him and brand of crazy humour, but it seems there is nothing funny about Deadpool at all. Sure, the Merc with a Mouth talks a lot in the Ultimate version, but he wasn't humourous at all. I would have cared less if he didn't have a healing factor, or his head is in a glass bubble. I liked the Deadpool in the video game more than I did in the Ultimates comic. Deadpool is probably the only character I like in the 616 than the Ultimate version. Any Deadpool fan would be devastated and disappointed about the Ultimate treatment.

I'm not being a purist about the 616 Universe or, 'that's not the way it was in the original storyline'. But he just ruined Deadpool. I feel that Mark Millar could had brought Deadpool to a better direction when he had his run on X-Men. He would have handled it better. And to be honest, Bendis' stuff is declining on quality right now.

Im not a huge X-men fan in 616 except for Wolverine,X-Factor so i dont read much except Excalibur,Astonishing.

Ultimate X-men is pretty good. UXM characters are well done, the writers and artists that have done it have done a great job.

Ultimates thanks to the great of the team is one of the best comics marvel have right now.

I wonder how Loeb will do with Ultimates.

Sadly the slow realeses are killing it.

I read Daredevil: Yellow yesterday which showed again what a great Loeb and Sale is .

Post by **Skullkracker** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:54 pm

Wolverine - Origins was pretty neat, although the story became quite predictable by the end

Post by **Libaax** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:08 pm

You mean the ongoing Origins series or the old Wolverine: Origin?

Cause the new origins series arent over yet.

Post by **Skullkracker** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:14 pm

I guess the old one then..the on with 6 issues

is there another?

Post by **Libaax** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:22 pm

Yeah there is a new one that is monthly.

Its about what happens after House of M to Wolverine and his past.

If you dont know what happened to him in HOM look it up in wiki.

Post by **Skullkracker** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:24 pm

thanks for the tip

Is Wolverine - Snikt worth a read?

Post by **Libaax** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:26 pm

The art is amazing its by the creator of Blame.

Post by **Skullkracker** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:27 pm

aha...that must have been a yes

edit: yes, it definetely looks good

Post by **Libaax** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 3:37 pm

Only the art is worth reading it even if the writting wasnt good is what i meant.

About Civil War, i dumped all civil war books tie ins etc.

I dont wanna waste my money on event like these.

If it wasnt so predictable i would buy the books.

I will buy Planetary book 1,Authority vol 3 Revolution and Max Punisher vol 4 Up is Down and Black is White.

Great reads that im looking forward to when i get my cash in a couple of days.

Post by **Femto** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:07 pm

Skullkracker wrote:Is Wolverine - Snikt worth a read?

No.

Post by **Libaax** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:17 pm

I finaly read Deadpool, i must say like his twisted humor.

The guy should be a stand up comedian, he has so many great jokes.

Post by **Skullkracker** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:17 pm

Femto wrote:
Skullkracker wrote:Is Wolverine - Snikt worth a read?
No.

You're too strict
well the story wasn't that great, but the art was outta this world

Post by **Femto** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:01 pm

Skullkracker wrote:You're too strict
well the story wasn't that great, but the art was outta this world

The art, aside from the covers, was rather terrible.

Nihei's Blame! stuff is far, far better.

I bought Snikt! with decent expectations and now it's just lying around somewhere on my desk.

Worst comic I've read in the last few years.

Post by **LordMune** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:36 pm

Femto wrote:Bendis distilled all the nonsense contained in the Spider-Man books and brought the character back to life. That's why he gets my praise, because he's writing the best Spider-Man stories I've ever read, except for vintage Stan Lee stuff maybe.

Spider-Man is nonsense?

Awesome.

Post by **Femto** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:41 pm

LordMune wrote:Spider-Man is nonsense?

Awesome.

Hey smartass, have you ever read a Spider-Man comic from the '90s?

They're abysmal.

Post by **Libaax** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:53 pm

That i agree with you on fully !!

I read Spiderman from 60's to now and the 90's was horrible. It got better after Clone Sage but beforethat was horrid.

Sins Past is the worst comic story i have read by far.

Post by **LordMune** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:55 pm

Femto wrote:
LordMune wrote:Spider-Man is nonsense?

Awesome.
Hey smartass, have you ever read a Spider-Man comic from the '90s?

They're abysmal.

Don't look at me like that, I was just being a grammar nazi (improper word usage nazi).

distillation wrote:a purified liquid produced by condensation from a vapor during distilling

Hence, the very essence of Spider-man's greatness is nonsense.

Post by **Femto** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:01 am

Antonyms
distill
v

Definition: make pure; draw out something

By distilling the Spider-Man books, you get rid of all the nonsense in them.

Another interpretation would be "by drawing out the nonsense in the Spider-Man books, bla, bla, bla."

I can see how I may have screwed up that sentence though.

Post by **LordMune** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:03 am

Femto wrote:I can see how I may have screwed up that sentence though.

Seeing as how the term is usually not used (in that context) for something being distilled and then subtracted, quite so.

Well, that's enough good-natured semi-trolling for one night.