Berserk Chapter: 285

Post by **SONGSAN** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:02 pm

Excellent job! thanks all EG

oh, and...

HOrse PorN RuleS

Post by **Brainpiercing** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:43 pm

Go Miura-san and EG.

For some reason I wasn't expecting this to appear so quickly.

It was a great chapter on how Griffith will make the future for himself. I'm just wondering whether he will actually revert back to evil. It seems once he's crowned he will have enough power to just not care about opposition.

Post by **lon3vvolf** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:08 am

Great chapter! Looks like business is gonna pick up.

I can imagine it now, Guts vs everyone including God. How much bigger can you get? So powerful.

Post by **Facade19** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:14 am

lon3vvolf wrote:Great chapter! Looks like business is gonna pick up.

I can imagine it now, Guts vs everyone including God. How much bigger can you get? So powerful.

And I still would have my money on Guts.

Post by **MrFelony** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:24 am

Facade19 wrote:
lon3vvolf wrote:Great chapter! Looks like business is gonna pick up.

I can imagine it now, Guts vs everyone including God. How much bigger can you get? So powerful.
And I still would have my money on Guts.

I have my money on Idea

(guts is his pawn after all

)

Post by **t.A** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 7:54 am

Thank you!!

Post by **a-choo** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 11:55 am

Thanks again EG!!! You guys ROCK!

Post by **Khelegond** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 1:51 pm

First of all, excelent work, as usual. Clean, very well translated, no spelling errors (that I get

).

Second... wow. Say whatever you wish about Griffith, but he's awesome. I think we'll have some more chapters putting him there, with the crown, maybe marrying the princess, and, when he's king, we'll shift to Gatts. And that'll last a LONG time. When he returns to Midland, the land will be very, VERY different... who knows, maybe like the city that the Kushan Emperor is holding? (forgot her name)

Post by **Brainpiercing** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:09 pm

I don't think Griffith will be anything like Ganishka in his rule. First of all, he already IS a demon lord, he can muster any number of apostles without torturing people to create them.
Second, all he wanted was to become king. That was his dream, for this dream he sacrificed everyone. Once he IS king, he has fulfilled the dream, he won't need to set up a tyranny. So far he hasn't shown any signs of excess cruelty except towards Shierke's teacher witch. However, he expected opposition from her, so it was a strategic decision. The same goes for fighting Guts.

However, he has a lot of people with him who are not evil at all. He hasn't bought his gain of influence with the blood of people, rather it was a carefully prepared campaign for the liberation of midland. As a liberator, he can legitimately claim what he could otherwise have conquered. People will welcome him, and not resist. Until they resist, I don't think he will act evilly towards him.

Post by **Gemino** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:37 pm

The question is what will drive Griffith after he achieves is dream?
Look what happens when a apostle/god hand reaches it. For example, Rukinshin from her perspective became an elf queen, but, had a tyrannical rule over a village. Zodd finally met someone that could whip his ass but he still unleashes mayhem. The Count received his wishes (can't remember what his dream was), but still couldn't quench his appetite for human meat. The only exception could be the Egg apostle who disapeared after he reached his goal. I believe once Griffith gets his kingdom the world will turn into the Apostles playground and G. could careless since it is still his kingdom.

Post by **lon3vvolf** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:47 pm

Gemino wrote:The question is what will drive Griffith after he achieves is dream?

I believe we will see Griffith attain his kingdom, and perhaps try to expand it? Hes smart enough not to do anything stupid to efff things up right now, but power increases greed. But we all remember who was the one person that made Griffith weak, and not concentrate on his dream.

So heres a prediction, Griffith will become king and everything will be well, however once Gutts comes back, somehow, someway, Griffith will have a weakness. Maybe the fact that Gutts beat him? Maybe he'll still have a thing for Caska? Maybe the princess will find Gutts more attractive and leave Griffith for him. I'm really hoping for the last one

Post by **FightClub** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 7:50 pm

Gemino wrote:The question is what will drive Griffith after he achieves is dream?

He'll sacrifice Charlotte to the godhand for a really cute guy to sleep with. Oh and excellent release, but I'm getting way to anxious for it to get back to Guts.

Post by **Sandman** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:26 pm

me wrote:with the pope anounceing that he is god and he can have what ever he wants he proclaims him self King and takes Charlotte as his wife

I was close

I said that in the stupid theroies thread on page 57... Anyway thanks EG that was a great plot twist... although I cant say I didnt see it coming

So what do you guys think back to Guts now, I hope so.

Post by **Istvan** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 10:42 pm

Probably we'll switch back to Guts and Co. soon now. Possibly next chapter, but even if not, I would expect no more then one more chapter on Griffith. Once everyone agrees to follow him (everyone that's going to, I mean) there should be a longish period while armies move slowly towards Midland's capital, and the story will probably return to Guts during that time.

Post by **Jon Maitreya** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 11:20 pm

This is really an ideal point to return to Gutts & co. That last double-page spread sets up everytihng that needs to be set up, it's highly symbolic and works well as a 'section end' from a story perspective. If it doesn't cut back to Gutts then I can't see a better way of ending the current 'Griffith mini-arc' other than actually showing everything up to the final battle in Wyndam. With Griff actually becoming the King, etc. So, yeah, I'd say back to Gutts and co now.

As for what Griffith will actually do once he attains his kingdom, who knows. If he was human, then he'd probably rule it while maintaining his public reputation and offing enemies in the shadows like he did before. However, he is a Demon King - a Godhand and servant of Idea. As stated at the start of the Millennium Falcon arc, the world is changing, and this will probbaly accentuate once he actually takes control of the realm.

Also, I have a hunch there might be something to do with the ruins under the Tower which got shown back in Volume 10, with all the sacrificed people.

Post by **DarkenRahlX** » Tue May 01, 2007 7:32 am

Man, now even Griffith has got me tricked into thinking he's the good guy.

Post by **Brainpiercing** » Tue May 01, 2007 7:49 am

He's NOT a good guy, but he during all the time he worked towards his goal he always sacrificed people (and himself) exactly as he needed to. No more, no less. That makes him evil, as he DID sacrifice people, but not wantonly cruel. In fact, I would not say he is any more evil than many American presidents to date, for instance. He is far less evil than most dictators.

So far he has not betrayed any weakness in his lust for power (in fact, he only had two moments of weakness in his entire life: The one where he threw himself at Charlotte to force his way, after being frustrated by Guts, and the other after the torture where he finally gave in to the behelit.)
So, he is not a lowly apostle, and there are some apostles that somehow remain honourable even as demons, at least manage to uphold a reasonable representation of it.
He will never be a GOOD guy, but he there is no reason at present why he should rack up any more guilt than he already has.

Post by **nimrod** » Fri May 04, 2007 9:24 pm

any more info about hawk of light/darkness?...

old witch knew about that prophesy thing and i guess thats why she was killed...

chain knight knew somethign too...

but i guess G is acting his best to act like a good guy... even if he will throw the world into another dark ages...

hmm demon king nead a demon queen... wonder who princess will sac in order to become a apostel?...

Post by **Istvan** » Fri May 04, 2007 10:59 pm

The old witch was killed (this was explained by SK) because, dwelling partly in the astral world as she did, it would have been possible for her to harm Griffith, while no ordinary human could possibly do so. Basically, she was a slight threat, so Griffith eliminated her.

Also, I'm almost certain that Charlotte will not become an Apostle, there's absolutely no reason for her to. The only thing Griffith needs Charlotte for is to give him a legitimate claim to the throne, and she already does that for him as a human. Why bother making her an Apostle?

Post by **Avulsion** » Sat May 05, 2007 3:01 pm

Thank you. No input but... The greatest manga.

Post by **nimrod** » Sun May 06, 2007 12:18 am

SK and some more are also in position to harm Griffith, yet they are concidered to hard opponents to take out?
So old witch was abel to harm Griffith whith the truth? Since Griffith dont care about ppl who can physicly harm him?

What about the other's of the god hand? looks like they have there own agenda... so it could be a all out war whithin the god hand in order to show hows the god's choosen or so?

still... tell hawk of darkness prophesy!

Post by **Lord Rae** » Sun May 06, 2007 2:08 am

We won't switch to guts until we see the finale of the Griffith vs Ganishanka fight. Then maybe but we'll probably stay until Griffith is crowned or at least leading up to that...

But we'll definitely see the last of the Kushan fight.

Post by **Istvan** » Sun May 06, 2007 10:50 pm

SK and some more are also in position to harm Griffith, yet they are concidered to hard opponents to take out?

Probably more along the fact that SK moves around a lot, so it's hard to know where he'll be long enough in advance to mass the kind of force needed to kill him. The witch, on the other hand, was a stationary target.

So old witch was abel to harm Griffith whith the truth? Since Griffith dont care about ppl who can physicly harm him?

No, the witch was able to physically harm him, because she was partially in the astral world. Only those who are partially in the astral world are even capable of hurting Griffith.

Post by **nimrod** » Sun May 06, 2007 11:09 pm

meaning any apostle, emp and his soldier or any other astral linked wpn can do the job too?

Post by **Xarfai** » Mon May 07, 2007 11:57 am

This all feels great. When the Kushan are finally beaten and Griffith becomes King, the filler stuff will hopefully be at an end. As I said in the Newbie-Thread, the story disappointed me for quite a while, but now it feels like it will be focusing again finally.

With Griffith bright and heroic and guts becomming more and more the absolute warrior-monster, the manga is (hopefully) going back to the old story. Really, really hoping this.