Evil Genius

Posted: **Thu Dec 08, 2005 7:09 pm**

Well if Xavier dies who will keep the whole X-men team going?
I mean, he´s the one with all the monies

Posted: **Thu Dec 08, 2005 7:12 pm**

Yeah but in these kind of movies people always come back from death

Posted: **Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:54 pm**

Haha, yeah I forgot that little detail Libaax.
Almost made an ass off myself there

Posted: **Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:58 pm**

If I remember correctly, outside of "Age of Apocalypse" where Xavier is killed years before making the X-Men (In that reality Magento becomes their leader), he has never died in the comics. I suspect if aynone was to "die" it would be Wolverine or Jean, or maybe they'll pick up Thunderbird if they really want to get an X-Men who actually dies.

Posted: **Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:00 pm**

Perhaps Wolverine will sacrifice himself in order to save Jean

Posted: **Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:25 pm**

Remember though that wovlerine is older than Xavier, supposedly he is over 200 years old and his mutant powers of healing.

In the later series of the comics Phoenix, never died, but left the world so that she wouldnt harm anyone.

If i remember correctly, Night Crawler died in a space ship (or was that from the cartoon series?)

We could always wish for Onsalught...

So where does this "x-men die" on the trailer?? i watched it a coupe more times and coulnt find anything.

Now i also wonder if they are gonna lef the whole asteroid thing happen too, where all the mutants live on Magneto's asteriod that circle's earth...

Posted: **Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:02 pm**

I'll let my comic geekiness make this reply...

Tempest wrote:I suspect if aynone was to "die" it would be Wolverine or Jean, or maybe they'll pick up Thunderbird if they really want to get an X-Men who actually dies.

Probably not, since Thunderbird wasn't really important enough to make an appearance. He died on the first mission. Or was it the second?

halfnhalf wrote:Remember though that wovlerine is older than Xavier, supposedly he is over 200 years old and his mutant powers of healing.

Yeah, that's debatable. He's fought in both the world wars, so he's definitely over 100. He's regained his memory in recent issues, and the world's government are burning papers regarding the Weapon X project. Wolverine's got them riled up and he wants vegeance.

halfnhalf wrote:In the later series of the comics Phoenix, never died, but left the world so that she wouldnt harm anyone.

Actually, Jean Grey did die, but the phoenix force didn't. They retcon it later by saying that Jean Grey was found in a bubble underwater or something crap like that. That was after Cyclops married Madeline Pryor, a clone of Jean Grey.

halfnhalf wrote:If i remember correctly, Night Crawler died in a space ship (or was that from the cartoon series?)

Lies. Nightcrawler is pretty much alive in the recent issues of X-Men.

halfnhalf wrote:We could always wish for Onsalught...

I thought that was the worst X-Men arc evar.

halfnhalf wrote:Now i also wonder if they are gonna lef the whole asteroid thing happen too, where all the mutants live on Magneto's asteriod that circle's earth...

You're probably talking about Avalon. I don't think so though, they're probably talk about Genosha if they have to mention a mutant haven.

Posted: **Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:08 am**

According to a X-men comic reader in dynamite glove Phoenix kills Cyclops in the comics. Also you see Wolverine finding his shades and then you see a big funeral for an X-men cause all of the X-men were there. After that you see that Phoenix has joined Magneto.

I wanna see the Wolverine movie almost as much as this cause i wonder about his past,they must show that in that movie.

Posted: **Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:24 am**

According to a X-men comic reader in dynamite glove Phoenix kills Cyclops in the comics. Also you see Wolverine finding his shades and then you see a big funeral for an X-men cause all of the X-men were there. After that you see that Phoenix has joined Magneto.

Nope, not true. Cyclops is well and alive right now. There has been some 'alternate universes' and 'What ifs' where Phoenix has killed Cyclops and the X-Men failed at killing Phoenix at the trial.

But Cyclops did 'merge' with Apocalypse at one point, and Phoenix did have a hand at freeing Cyclops. 'Magneto' disguised himself as Xorn and joined the X-Men at one point (which was later retconned as another Xorn turned insane) and killed Jean Grey. Yes, Jean Grey is now dead currently in the latest issues.

Posted: **Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:33 am**

Juggs looks like shit.. they should have made him CG and like 8 feet tall and 500 pounds... and without that sex slave suit.

now there are those "Watcher" issues too... X-men has to many things going on to make it true to comic books.

ahh i soo need to re-read the series...

Posted: **Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:41 am**

Since im low on good mangas right i have got an urge to read comics. Dling Sandman and Witchblade right now.

After that i wanna have the alternative Superman stories and the X-men comics cause there are so many good characters in X-men.

Halfnhalf: Jugger looks puny as hell compared to comic, i thought they would make 3 meters tal,man they should have made him CG.

Posted: **Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:42 am**

Tempest wrote:
Khelegond wrote:I'm downloading the new Quicktime before I can see the trailer. Do Archangel appear? I've seen a few pictures of him in the movie, seems cool!
Angel is in it, he isn't Archangel yet, and I doubt that they will have him change in this film, though it is a possibility.

Theyd have to have apocolypse in it for him to be archangel.

Posted: **Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:17 am**

Eldo wrote:I'll let my comic geekiness make this reply...

Tempest wrote:I suspect if aynone was to "die" it would be Wolverine or Jean, or maybe they'll pick up Thunderbird if they really want to get an X-Men who actually dies.
Probably not, since Thunderbird wasn't really important enough to make an appearance. He died on the first mission. Or was it the second?

Second mission. First mission was to save the original X-Men (Most of whom woudl later become X-Factor) from that wierd living island. The second mission was facing Count Nefaria and Thunderbird jumped onto a plane he thought was being flown by the Count. It was a decoy and blew up, killing him. I just thought when I mentioned him that the writers might actually kill off a mutant, so they might as well use one who actually dies in the comics.

Also, we do have what appears to be an actual canon explination to Wolverine's origins.

Wikipedia wrote:Wolverine's early life has been revealed gradually over time. Wolverine's time as a captive and subject of the Weapon X project has been revealed as a period when he was entirely at the mercy of feral instincts due to severe physical and psychological trauma inflicted upon him by the program. He was their agent, their ultimate weapon, along with his future archnemesis Sabretooth. Next, Wolverine lived on a Native American reservation with his former girlfriend Silver Fox, whom he thought had been killed by his enemy.

Finally, the story of his childhood was told in the miniseries Origin. He was born James Howlett, the son of wealthy Canadians John and Elizabeth Howlett in 19th century Alberta. He was a sickly youth, therefore his father hired a girl named Rose to take care of him. They were joined by a third youth, Dog Logan, who will later become James' bitter enemy.

Elizabeth's first son was believed to have been born a mutant and killed by the Grandfather Howlett. This traumatic experience caused Elizabeth to be locked away in the attic of the Manor for some time. It is revealed that she had an affair with the groundskeeper of the Howlett estate, Thomas Logan, a man who looks exactly like the adult Wolverine. Years passed and she eventually gave birth to James Howlett.

Thomas Logan's son, Dog, would later attack Rose and cause Thomas to be fired. John Howlett, however, later found Thomas with his wife and questioned him. In retaliation, Thomas Logan killed John Howlett. James' mutant powers, particularly his claws, emerged when he discovered his dead father and the murderer. With his new powers, James killed Thomas Logan and scarred Dog. Elizabeth, having lost both her husband and lover, chose to commit suicide.

Due to his alleged killing of his parents, James was exiled by his grandfather and became a nomad. He was brought to a British Columbia mining colony, where he grew into a strong and ferocious worker. He also adopted the name Logan and acquired the nickname of Wolverine.

Three years later Dog tracked him down. Forced to remember his painful childhood, Logan fought Dog savagely. Logan had gained the upper hand in the fight but as Rose attempted to prevent the killing of Dog she was impaled by Logan's claws. Wracked with grief over the death of his true love, Logan spent more time in the woods with wolves, where he feels more at home.

Much of Wolverine's origin still remains a mystery. It is unclear how much Wolverine recalls about his past, as his memories have been extensively tampered with, both by the Weapon X program and his healing powers.

Oh, and halfnhalf, I wouldn't talk shit about Vinnie Jones. He might be reading these boards, and he's a mean looking fucker. He'll kick you and your mom's ass just for looking at him funny I bet. Besides, a CG Juggernaught woudl look retarded with an entirely human cast. If they can do Nightcrawler, Beast and Mystique with real actors, I think they'll be fine with a live Juggernaught.

Buz: I know there would have to be Apocalypse to have Arch-Angel accoring to the comics, but I don't think it would be impossible for the writers to do a little stretch and take some liberties with the stories. The scene with Angel on the operating table just made me think it's a possibility they might do that, but once again I highly doubt they'll change him. I'm sure thye have plenty of story to do without going into that whole mess.

Posted: **Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:24 am**

Woah, woah, waoh...

Let me take a step back for second...

Vinnie Jones is playing Juggernaut?!

What the fuck is up with that?

Posted: **Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:26 am**

http://www.bodybuildbid.com/articles/bo ... on/bic.jpg

They should have bought him some acting lessons and make him juggernaught.

Posted: **Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:28 am**

Tempest wrote:Also, we do have what appears to be an actual canon explination to Wolverine's origins.

I've read Origins, and I'm not too sure if it should be considered as the real origin for Wolverine, or just some other side story with no relevance to the main Marvel Universe. I'm just ruling it out as the latter.

As for Angel, he did have his wings torn out in the comics, and then Apocalypse got to him at a later stage, becoming the Horseman of Death. Maybe they could introduce Dark/Arch Angel if there is to be a forth movie. I hope Sinister makes an appearance somewhere.

I think that Asian guy in the pic is Sunfire.

Posted: **Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:29 am**

http://www.bodybuildbid.com/articles/bo ... on/bic.jpg

They should have bought him some acting lessons and make him juggernaught.

Because, it's too risky to invest in him... He looks like he'll explode and die any minute now.

Posted: **Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:31 am**

Femto wrote:Woah, woah, waoh...

Let me take a step back for second...

Vinnie Jones is playing Juggernaut?!

What the fuck is up with that?

Yeah, welcome to last year when they announced the cast. C'mon man, try to keep up, what kind of geek are you?

I think he'll do a fine job as Juggernaught. If the casting crew is anything like it was for the other movies, they aren't going to just say "Meh, let's give it to that guy from Snatch and Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels"

Eldo: I don't think the asian guy is Sunfire. I don't EVER remember him being a bad guy, he has too much respect for Xavier. The worst he ever did was refuse his original offer th join the X-Men in the first mission. *EDIT* Nevermind, Wikipedia pwned me and he was a heel for a short time at the very begining of his career.

Posted: **Fri Dec 09, 2005 7:59 am**

You guys almost must remember that Jugger in the comics and cartoon never really had a good voice, he talked more like a young child rather then someone with a complicated vocabulary.

Posted: **Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:31 am**

Yeah Juggs wasn't the smartest guy in the world, but he could talk alright. I mean it wasn't as if he sounded like a person suffering from retardation or anything. I think the way Vinnie Jones talks in the movies I've seen would suit Juggernaught fine.

Also, upon further inspection, I'm not a fan of his outfit in this movie, I'd much rather he have a costume like his regular one. It could be worse though, they could have given his "Ultimate Marvel" costume.

Posted: **Fri Dec 09, 2005 12:15 pm**

Eldo wrote:I thought that was the worst X-Men arc evar.

Amen, brother.

Hated so fucking much. The old "kill everyone, then have everyone come back later on" was ridiculous. SIMPLY RIDICULOUS! Of course, that is my opinion, and you may disagree

Posted: **Fri Dec 09, 2005 12:27 pm**

Khelegond wrote:
Eldo wrote:I thought that was the worst X-Men arc evar.
Amen, brother.

Hated so fucking much. The old "kill everyone, then have everyone come back later on" was ridiculous. SIMPLY RIDICULOUS! Of course, that is my opinion, and you may disagree

Word. The whole pocket unvierse thing was stupid. That's why I don't like Scarlet Witch and Mr. Fantastic's kid having "reality shaping" powers with no limitations whatsoever. While "House of M" was/is pretty cool, in the hands of the wrong writer it's just "kill somebody, bring them back, change this a little bit, now change it back to work." If you want to see heros getting the shit kicked out of them by an unstoppable force go read The Infinity Guantlet and cry as your favorite Marvelites get PWN3D.

Oh, and on another note.... I AM 1337!!11!!ONE!!!1111!!!!

Posted: **Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:18 am**

I have just started reading X-men comics and im on the first x-men comic right now the Uncanny X-men. I must say its alittle wierd reading about thier world as it was in the 60's. The only xmen i have seen are the movies and the cartoon. But still i like the characters. Angel is totaly new to me,its good that i will get to know him before i see this movie.

A nice guy gave me a link to an order guide on which order to read xmen.

Posted: **Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:45 am**

X-Men is not like a manga where you have to read everything from beginning to end to get the full picture. It has ups and downs, almost no continuity, different creators, different directions, etc, so, IMO, reading it from the very beginning is not worth it. Just read a couple of the good arcs and that's all you'll need to get a good picture of what the X-Men is.

X-Men is overrated anyway.

Read Watchmen or Sandman and be done with it.

That's all the comic book/manga you'll ever need to read in your lifetime.

Posted: **Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:56 am**

Femto wrote: That's all the comic book/manga you'll ever need to read in your lifetime.

WOA WOA WOA... make sure you add V for Vendetta on that list, then you can say thats all you need to read in your lifetime.

Evil Genius

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