Berserk chapter: 290

[Rolos]

The way I interpreted what god-hands have been repeating incesantly, that the worlds are merging ( remember how slaan,even though she is an incredibly powerful supernatural being who shouldnt be able to enter this world without a summoning, just used some troll intestines and a little bit of Gutts rage to manifest physicaly? ), would lead to Idea having a more direct influence in the world. Not because the astral world is closer to the physical, but because of Ideal world getting closer. A god-hand member, the most powerful manifestation of Idea s will, is on the physical plain, so Idea is closer to the world than ever.

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As i said before....Why idea would want to be closer to the world humans inhabit??

In my previous post is my theory (not the one compelling you to pray, the other one).

[The Prince]

The way I interpreted what god-hands have been repeating incesantly, that the worlds are merging ( remember how slaan,even though she is an incredibly powerful supernatural being who shouldnt be able to enter this world without a summoning, just used some troll intestines and a little bit of Gutts rage to manifest physicaly? ), would lead to Idea having a more direct influence in the world. Not because the astral world is closer to the physical, but because of Ideal world getting closer. A god-hand member, the most powerful manifestation of Idea s will, is on the physical plain, so Idea is closer to the world than ever.

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As i said before....Why idea would want to be closer to the world humans inhabit??

In my previous post is my theory (not the one compelling you to pray, the other one).

I believe Slaan was able to manifest partly because that cave was in fact a supernatural realm which gave rise a whole host of otherwordly creatures.....I believe that realm even had a name, which I'm too lazy to look up. The cave was almost like a portal between our world and the Interstice.

[Rolos]

But didnt Slaan said that she was able to bring Qluipoth (thats the name you are looking for) to our world only because the worlds were merging?

[The Prince]

But didnt Slaan said that she was able to bring Qluipoth (thats the name you are looking for) to our world only because the worlds were merging?

I believe its existence was certainly allowed because of the merging. And yes, that was the name.

[The Herald]

Qliphoths in mythology have always been areas that are inherantly magical in a sort of poisonous way, where the magical creatures dwell. She could tap the magic (or whatever power it's called in Berserk) because of the Qliphoth, and manifest there, but because she was a godhand member she made the Qliphoth even more powerful with magical ressonance. That scene in the Qliphoth was a good example of how the magic in the Berserk world is quite cyclical. An area full of magic makes magic easier to cast, and therefore the magic being cast opens more channels for more magic, making other magic more powerful. It is a difficult idea to grasp, especially when Slan, the explicator, is being terribly disgusting and seducing at the same time.

P.S. I realize for calling it magic, I'll be completely burned, but that's how areas like Qliphoths work in more ancient mythologies.

[The Prince]

Qliphoths in mythology have always been areas that are inherantly magical in a sort of poisonous way, where the magical creatures dwell. She could tap the magic (or whatever power it's called in Berserk) because of the Qliphoth, and manifest there, but because she was a godhand member she made the Qliphoth even more powerful with magical ressonance. That scene in the Qliphoth was a good example of how the magic in the Berserk world is quite cyclical. An area full of magic makes magic easier to cast, and therefore the magic being cast opens more channels for more magic, making other magic more powerful. It is a difficult idea to grasp, especially when Slan, the explicator, is being terribly disgusting and seducing at the same time.

P.S. I realize for calling it magic, I'll be completely burned, but that's how areas like Qliphoths work in more ancient mythologies.

Its clear you are a heretic for ever suggesting such non-sense.

The only explanation is that its existence was due to a "miracle".....and that's that!

"Magic"?.......BAHHHHH!

J/K

[Arcandus]

*Sarcasm ON*
Arcandus, your post made me realize what the objective of my existence is.

It is to post short useless commentaries about what other people said. Why write (and post) your own theory, thus contributing to the forum, if you can just post:

Cool. i like it.

*Sarcasm OFF*

just kidding Arcandus, dont be offended.

Itsvan, I agree with you to a certain extent.
We all know that since the moment Femto entered the physical world, the ideal world (evil idea/world) and the physical world have begun to fuse, making it easier for Idea s agents to spread chaos, pain, sadness and fear throughout the world.
Given that his purpose is to be the reason of evil in the world, trying to be as close as posible of being the direct cause of evil deeds is certainly what Idea would feel impelled to do, but if the ideal and the physical world merge, everyone is probably gonna die, excepting of course, idea.
But if everyone dies, then there would be no need for a reason for evil. That would strip Idea of his purpose, he would, well......stop existing.

So, what drives idea to become one with our world? He (she if you prefer it like that) wants to die?

I'm not offended, you created another oportunity for me to post another short post. x)

Anyway I did post my theory, but when I read yours I changed my mind. Thats it.

[Rolos]

Qliphoths in mythology have always been areas that are inherantly magical in a sort of poisonous way, where the magical creatures dwell. She could tap the magic (or whatever power it's called in Berserk) because of the Qliphoth, and manifest there, but because she was a godhand member she made the Qliphoth even more powerful with magical ressonance. That scene in the Qliphoth was a good example of how the magic in the Berserk world is quite cyclical. An area full of magic makes magic easier to cast, and therefore the magic being cast opens more channels for more magic, making other magic more powerful. It is a difficult idea to grasp, especially when Slan, the explicator, is being terribly disgusting and seducing at the same time.

P.S. I realize for calling it magic, I'll be completely burned, but that's how areas like Qliphoths work in more ancient mythologies.

You.......*gasps*........*tries to find words to express his anger*........MONSTER!!! Damn heathen!!!

Now pray for Gutts forgiveness, cos you wont get it from me......NOW KNEEL DOWN AND PRAY..... .....MOZGUS STYLE.....

May brain bleeding redeem you....


Pd: just kidding......lol, writing that was fun.
hey, why do you say people would eat you alive just for relating Berserk with magic?
what do you think Shcierke does.....sugestional tricks??? May be I will understand thee after some prayer..... .... .....shit....would you mind calling my neuro-surgeon? the number is 8551569.....make haste....please...

[Istvan]

No, not at all. The reason that Idea came into existence was not that humans are inherently evil, and the reason there's no countering power (i.e. an Idea of Good) isn't because humans have no positive feelings/beliefs. There's no countering Idea of Good, because when something wonderful happens to a person, they don't scream at the sky, asking God why this happened. When things are going well, people tend to except it as their due, or as natural. It's only when things are bad that people question what they (or their loved ones) ever did to deserve this, and want to know why it's happening. That passionate desire for there to be some reason for the terrible stuff, that it not just be random chance, is what gave rise to Idea. It has nothing to do with humans relative moral character, or lack thereof.

I appreciate the well reasoned, thought-out response from you, as always.

But at least from my perspective and understanding, most religions of the world, have always paid careful attention to pay homage to their "deity's" for gifts and fortunes bestowed upon them.

Sure. Most religions do this. But there are a few key points that I think cause Idea to be manifested in the Berserk world, but not any of these other deities. First, there are many different religions, which devides up the belief. Second, even within a religion, there's a lot of difference in how different individuals picture their god to be/act, and a wide variety in just how firm their belief actually is. On the other hand, the desire of individuals to understand why bad stuff happens is pretty much universal, and tends to be quite strong. So Idea of Evil is able to manifest, but the belief is too fractured for the god of an actual belief system to form. That's my interpretation, anyway.

[The Herald]

Rolos:

I don't know, because there may be some specialized term somewhere in the Berserk world for whatever it is, the representative magic, and the super hardcore fans (which I would be if I were older and had more time to read Berserk) would be annoyed by calling it magic, the mundane term for any supernatural-ness. I think magic works anyways.

And ... yeah, stop super prostrating yourself. Actual prostration is laying face down on your belly on the floor, but it doesn't require that you do it to hurt yourself, just to humble yourse. Mozgus taking prostration to that level is actually an indication of his evil and how he's manipulated the church into a demonic and evil form of what it was first intended to be. I don't think the super prostrating has done anything to help your head. Just sit back and take a drink, let the world sink in. I also just realized that Mozgus doing such prostration so much makes him completely forget the outside world and separate. His divinity is one of his own design from all of this supposed communion with God. Any communion with God would never require you to hurt yourself, just to open yourself. Those Catholics, like Opus Dae, who hurt themselves to repent are doing the opposite of what's required, really. To be closer to God one needs to be completely open, in heart, mind and body. So, technically, masterbation is closer to the real meaning of praying than the kind of self mutilation like what Mozgus was doing.

P.S. I have done a lot of studying about all kinds of religion, but I find it the Mozgus character so interesting, so I talk about Catholicism, which is the main religion that Berserk criticizes.

[Rolos]

I didnt really mean all that stuff, I was just joking ( do you seriously believe I would expect you to pray Mozgus style? )

I know prostrating doesnt mean to hit the floor with your head.
By the way, Opus Dei members never do that kind of stuff. yeah, they are a bunch of fundamentalist jackasses, but most of them dont reach THAT level of idiocy (they are all close though).

I am in a catholic school, so I know that kind of stuff. ( if anyone wants to know my opinions about the catholic church teachings, pay a visit to the abortion thread on the Politics forum )

Pd: Ahhhhh almost forgot......would you mind explainig the details of that "masturbation helps you to be closer to God" theory? I am really, but really interested......

Pd2: wait, didnt berserk criticize blind faith? Catholicism, Islamism, etc.... they are all good (well, at least not THAT bad) as long as people dont put beliefs over common sense and reason.

[psi29a]

In relation to the Church reference in Berserk, it is pointed out by Miura that it is distinctly possible that everything man-made, including Idea of Evil.

In other words, religion is just like any other social creation, it grows, evolves/changes, adapts just like anything else. You can neither prove nor disprove the existence of God. If you base the axiom of your faith on something that can't be proven true, then it takes a 'leap of faith' to continue thinking that way which is blind faith.

This is an interesting paradox, because in Berserk, most of the world doesn't even know Idea of Evil exists, but it is there none the less.

Problem is that it is still man-made. No more humanity, no more Idea.

[The Herald]

Nah, I never really thought you'd pray Mozgus style, just adding onto your joke.

[Rolos]

In relation to the Church reference in Berserk, it is pointed out by Miura that it is distinctly possible that everything man-made, including Idea of Evil.

In other words, religion is just like any other social creation, it grows, evolves/changes, adapts just like anything else. You can neither prove nor disprove the existence of God. If you base the axiom of your faith on something that can't be proven true, then it takes a 'leap of faith' to continue thinking that way which is blind faith.

This is an interesting paradox, because in Berserk, most of the world doesn't even know Idea of Evil exists, but it is there none the less.

Problem is that it is still man-made. No more humanity, no more Idea.

*nod* So true.....unfortunately, no believer will ever see his/her religion as a mere social creation.

Herald: i know, I was just making it clear. You see......i have nothing else to do..I am bored...And miura is taking sooooooo long to release the 291th chapter.....Hurry up you fu*****ng........nah, I cant insult the creator of Berserk......boredom consumes everything.....


Lets pray......

[The Prince]

In relation to the Church reference in Berserk, it is pointed out by Miura that it is distinctly possible that everything man-made, including Idea of Evil.

In other words, religion is just like any other social creation, it grows, evolves/changes, adapts just like anything else. You can neither prove nor disprove the existence of God. If you base the axiom of your faith on something that can't be proven true, then it takes a 'leap of faith' to continue thinking that way which is blind faith.

This is an interesting paradox, because in Berserk, most of the world doesn't even know Idea of Evil exists, but it is there none the less.

Problem is that it is still man-made. No more humanity, no more Idea.

*nod* So true.....unfortunately, no believer will ever see his/her religion as a mere social creation.

Herald: i know, I was just making it clear. You see......i have nothing else to do..I am bored...And miura is taking sooooooo long to release the 291th chapter.....Hurry up you fu*****ng........nah, I cant insult the creator of Berserk......boredom consumes everything.....


Lets pray......

Is Chtulu the God of Octupi or just an octupi that is a God?

If people vote for him will he manifest into our reality? Made real simply by believing him to be a viable candidate?

.....In other words is Chtulu in fact a "front " for no other than her "Thighness" herself, Hilary Clinton? And are you some crazy, atheistic lib...."fronting" as a Berserk fan? Perhaps hoping to indoctirnating us with your pearls of wisdom and your intellectual prose? All the while mastering the art of the discussion board "similie".

Has anybody seen the Anime Tenchi Muyo? It rocks.

And BTW....is much more original in its premise than some story about a muscular man with a big sword like "Berserk"?
Uhhhmmm.....HE-MAN......cough....cough....think about it. He-MAN = Guts, Orko (weird flying monster).....Puck? DUH...........Skeletor------>Skull Night
.....Griffith------>She-Ra............Getting the point?

He-Man was a better story anyway, they even made a Motion Picture movie out of it. Which I believe was ranked among the top-Movies in some famous poll!

[Sortep]

you can't be serious......

[psi29a]

Getting awfully tempted to dump part of the conversation into the stupid theories thread.

[Seraph]

And BTW....is much more original in its premise than some story about a muscular man with a big sword like "Berserk"?
Uhhhmmm.....HE-MAN......cough....cough....think about it. He-MAN = Guts, Orko (weird flying monster).....Puck? DUH...........Skeletor------>Skull Night
.....Griffith------>She-Ra............Getting the point?

He-Man was a better story anyway, they even made a Motion Picture movie out of it. Which I believe was ranked among the top-Movies in some famous poll

my god i never thought this is possible comparing berserk to he-man

like someone post before is like comparing a five course meal to something a bum found in a trash can.

[Istvan]

And BTW....is much more original in its premise than some story about a muscular man with a big sword like "Berserk"?
Uhhhmmm.....HE-MAN......cough....cough....think about it. He-MAN = Guts, Orko (weird flying monster).....Puck? DUH...........Skeletor------>Skull Night
.....Griffith------>She-Ra............Getting the point?

He-Man was a better story anyway, they even made a Motion Picture movie out of it. Which I believe was ranked among the top-Movies in some famous poll

my god i never thought this is possible comparing berserk to he-man

like someone post before is like comparing a five course meal to something a bum found in a trash can.

Not only did I never think it was possible, I never thought of it at all. The very idea was just too stupid to so much as cross my mind. Even the stupid theories thread might be too intellectual and realistic for this idea.

[Rolos]

Prince? is that you? Are you sure you are not an alien/church agent trying to impersonate the Prince?
If you are an alien, you are blowing your cover.

The Prince I know would never, but never, even dare to compare Berserk with He-man......besides, you have to update your data Spock, He-Man is no longer HE-Man, now he is SHE-Man.....just take a look at this.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8Nc8RCLy1s



Now, seriously......you are kidding right? I mean.....cmon!!! BERSERK= HeMan? SK= skeletor?
If you really think thats true.......you need help man. Dont worry.... I will pray for you......

Pd: Whats up with that anime show? i will check if its as good as you said.....

Pd2: The "vote for Cthulhu" shit is just that, shit. I thought it was hilarious, I mean....why choose the lesser evil?
And about Cthulhu s divinity....its not very clear, you see, the author contradicts himself in some of the books, some say he is the ally of the old gods and some say he stood up against them and was defeated along side his entire race, the octopi. if you want more information......wikipedia.

[The Prince]

Not only did I never think it was possible, I never thought of it at all. The very idea was just too stupid to so much as cross my mind. Even the stupid theories thread might be too intellectual and realistic for this idea.

You're just jealous you didn't think of it first!

Getting awfully tempted to dump part of the conversation into the stupid theories thread.

Sorry, its just that there is only so much we can dwell on regarding one chapter.

Chapter 291 thread, WHERE ARE YOU!!!!!



*BTW.......That He-Man thing was obviously a joke.

She-Ra = Griffith??? .......Come on now! Thought that would have been a dead give away.

*We all know Griffith is soooo much HOTTER!

[Rolos]

*BTW.....That He-Man thing was obviously a joke.

She-Ra = Griffith??? .......Come on now! Thought that would have been a dead give away.

*We all know Griffith is soooo much HOTTER!

Good one........very good one....

Thanks for the pictures The last one......fucking hilarious. Check this out if you havent already: http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting.php

[The Herald]

Though, in light of the whole He-man thing being a movie, I've seen the movie and it's total crap. If Berserk was ever made into a movie, it would be some king of awesome like 300. Though, it would be way better than 300. Man, that movie, after you look at it academically, is horrible .

Anywho ... about Berserk chapter 290 ... um, is there anything else to say? All I can say at this point is that Guts needs to sleep for a long time, Rumplestilkskin style. Also, do you think Isidro will ever get his normal hearing back? That was so funny that he lost his hearing because of the cannons.

[madonnalal]

All I can say at this point is that Guts needs to sleep for a long time, Rumplestilkskin style.

Rip Van Winkle.

[The Prince]

All I can say at this point is that Guts needs to sleep for a long time, Rumplestilkskin style.

Rip Van Winkle.

LOL