Evil Genius

FightClub wrote:

The Herald wrote:Yeah, they do. I just like bugging Fight Club. But everyone does get raped in Berserk, or, if they don't, they die. I'd rather they get raped and not die, though I don't know what they'd rather have. Would that part when Farnese was possessed count?

No, absence of tentacles or giant black men.

By that standard, only two characters have been raped. That hardly counts as everyone. You should at least allow monsters to count, otherwise all of the women captured by the trolls will be seriously pissed at your assertion that they weren't raped.

Istvan wrote:

FightClub wrote:

The Herald wrote:Yeah, they do. I just like bugging Fight Club. But everyone does get raped in Berserk, or, if they don't, they die. I'd rather they get raped and not die, though I don't know what they'd rather have. Would that part when Farnese was possessed count?

No, absence of tentacles or giant black men.

By that standard, only two characters have been raped. That hardly counts as everyone. You should at least allow monsters to count, otherwise all of the women captured by the trolls will be seriously pissed at your assertion that they weren't raped.

They had tentacle penii.

Before Berserk Phil worked in the porn industry. and he appeared most recently in the title Snakes and a Chain.

This ain't a stupid theory, but it may be an overdone one.

Recently reading through Berserk for the second time I came across this passage.......



I never really noticed Caska's line in the upper left-hand corner, correcting the story teller that there were only 4-angels instead of 5, when they descended upon and destroyed Gaeseric's kingdom (remains of which rest at the bottom of Tower of Rebirth).

IMO this confirms that Gaeseric's character is a direct parallel to Griffith. And that Gaeseric had already sold his soul (and was reborn) to that point allowing him to unite the warring kingdoms that plaqued that era for centuries....hence only 4-angels. I believe that Griffith's current conquest (post-rebirth) of achieving his empire and soon to be destruction of the Kushans, mirrors Gaeseric's pursuit of achieving the previous kingdom that Wyndham now rests upon.

*Let it be known Gaeseric was known for using enemies to fight against other enemies in a similar fashion as described by the Moonlight Knight to Mule.

That said it'll be interesting to see how things play out.

PS. I know this passage has been discussed at length, but was not sure if this was addressed exactly in this way.

Yep, this idea has been discussed at (very great) length. There's no way to know of course, and it will be interesting to see. Personally, I always favored the idea that Skull Knight is really Gaiseric, and the reason that his kingdom was destroyed had to do with a friend (Void presumably) "sacrificing" it.

Istvan wrote:Yep, this idea has been discussed at (very great) length. There's no way to know of course, and it will be interesting to see. Personally, I always favored the idea that Skull Knight is really Gaiseric, and the reason that his kingdom was destroyed had to do with a friend (Void presumably) "sacrificing" it.

I always thought that, for reasons unknown....perhaps to become a God, Gaeseric sacrificed his own kingdom. Because in the case of Void, the kingdom would not be his to sacrifice.

Who knows maybe, as a friend of Gaeseric's, Void is somehow tied to Guts character.....J/K...?????

But I do agree that the SK was once Gaeseric, as there are too many allusions to suggest otherwise at this point.

Bit it goes to show that Gaeseric wasn't some benevolent ruler, like one might associate to who is now the SK. From the story it makes Gaeseric out to be a rather unsympathetic figure.

Clearly the SK has showed himself to be a rather valiant character (notably with his relationship with the Forest Witch), it just seems that there is so much more to the story of the SK than simply being the "embodiment" of Gaeseric.

The Prince wrote:Bit it goes to show that Gaeseric wasn't some benevolent ruler, like one might associate to who is now the SK. From the story it makes Gaeseric out to be a rather unsympathetic figure.

Clearly the SK has showed himself to be a rather valiant character (notably with his relationship with the Forest Witch), it just seems that there is so much more to the story of the SK than simply being the "embodiment" of Gaeseric.

I wouldn't call the Skull Knight benevolent. He still seems to have his own agenda, and Guts maybe just plays a part in his (SK's) game. And only because he had a friendship with Flora doesn't rule out the possibility that he wasn't a cruel dictator or otherwise "bad" man. Having affections for a particular person and being a cruel warmonger isn't exclusive. Take Griffith pre-eclipse for example. He didn't care at all for the Hawks, they were merly a tool in his inventory. But he still put his life on the line for Guts.

Aetherfukz wrote:

The Prince wrote:Bit it goes to show that Gaeseric wasn't some benevolent ruler, like one might associate to who is now the SK. From the story it makes Gaeseric out to be a rather unsympathetic figure.

Clearly the SK has showed himself to be a rather valiant character (notably with his relationship with the Forest Witch), it just seems that there is so much more to the story of the SK than simply being the "embodiment" of Gaeseric.

I wouldn't call the Skull Knight benevolent. He still seems to have his own agenda, and Guts maybe just plays a part in his (SK's) game. And only because he had a friendship with Flora doesn't rule out the possibility that he wasn't a cruel dictator or otherwise "bad" man. Having affections for a particular person and being a cruel warmonger isn't exclusive. Take Griffith pre-eclipse for example. He didn't care at all for the Hawks, they were merly a tool in his inventory. But he still put his life on the line for Guts.

And also it's hard to know how much the story of Gaiseric's rein might have changed over time. Story's tend to shift, and the mere fact that his kingdom was destroyed by "angels" might have led many storytellers to automatically assume his rule must have been "bad." Likewise, we don't know how much Gaiseric himself (if that's who SK really is) might have changed over time. 1,000 years and seeing his entire kindgdom destroyed could have had a huge impact on his character. Or as Aetherfukz points out, we don't really know all that much about SK's personality/character. He might not be nearly as "good" a person as one might think. We'll have to wait and see.

Hey!! I don't have that page! Is it in Volume 10 Chapter 06? I cant find it!!

Could someone tell me why that page its not in the volume I own?

If you're talking about the one that talks about the angels it'd be volume 10, chapter 6, page 8 and 9. Or if you have the Hawks' release, v10c06p122-123.

You are not correct in 100 % ... Some releses don't have this pages such as version from lurker (Hawks release) ...

I know, that's why I also gave him page 8-9 of chapter 6. Pages 122-123 are correct for the original Hawks release and the official Darkhorse release.

IMO it goes SK(Gaeseric)=Guts and Void=Griffith... Ok Gaeseric was powerful pulling all warring nations underone flag because of his strength, remeber this is when strength was the only thing that mattered, during which time he had a advisor that was very smart and cunning (a Griffith like Void)... now I can only imagine the rest but Void wanted Middland to himself, when Gaeseric found out the about his traitores intentions he had Void locked up on his death bed Void was visited by the former god hand offered the position of fifth god hand but Gaeseric had something to say about that and somehow slew the origanal GodHand. Gaeseric was branded and walked like Guts does now, somehow found the Berserk armour and doned it till he was just a spirit of his former self and Flores somehow turned him into the Skull Knight... now with Griffith and Guts the situation is a little different because in that time and place strength doesnt mean as much so that is why the strategest and Muscle roles have reversed, you could also call it fate.

Sandman wrote:IMO it goes SK(Gaeseric)=Guts and Void=Griffith... Ok Gaeseric was powerful pulling all warring nations underone flag because of his strength, remeber this is when strength was the only thing that mattered, during which time he had a advisor that was very smart and cunning (a Griffith like Void)... now I can only imagine the rest but Void wanted Middland to himself, when Gaeseric found out the about his traitores intentions he had Void locked up on his death bed Void was visited by the former god hand offered the position of fifth god hand but Gaeseric had something to say about that and somehow slew the origanal GodHand. Gaeseric was branded and walked like Guts does now, somehow found the Berserk armour and doned it till he was just a spirit of his former self and Flores somehow turned him into the Skull Knight... now with Griffith and Guts the situation is a little different because in that time and place strength doesnt mean as much so that is why the strategest and Muscle roles have reversed, you could also call it fate.

Interesting......whether that is the case or not. I likey.....

Though how could how a mortal kill the Godhands?

With a two barreled shotgun and a bottle of tequila.

Rolos wrote:With a two barreled shotgun and a bottle of tequila.

Piss off Rolos!

PM you dickhead!

The Prince wrote:

Sandman wrote:IMO it goes SK(Gaeseric)=Guts and Void=Griffith... Ok Gaeseric was powerful pulling all warring nations underone flag because of his strength, remeber this is when strength was the only thing that mattered, during which time he had a advisor that was very smart and cunning (a Griffith like Void)... now I can only imagine the rest but Void wanted Middland to himself, when Gaeseric found out the about his traitores intentions he had Void locked up on his death bed Void was visited by the former god hand offered the position of fifth god hand but Gaeseric had something to say about that and somehow slew the origanal GodHand. Gaeseric was branded and walked like Guts does now, somehow found the Berserk armour and doned it till he was just a spirit of his former self and Flores somehow turned him into the Skull Knight... now with Griffith and Guts the situation is a little different because in that time and place strength doesnt mean as much so that is why the strategest and Muscle roles have reversed, you could also call it fate.

Interesting......whether that is the case or not. I likey.....

Though how could how a mortal kill the Godhands?

Wait till the end of the series, and we'll know. At least, I presume we will. Although if Gaiseric had the ability to kill members of the God's Hand, I think he'd have taken down Void a looooong time ago.

Wait, I know!! Skull Knight did kill the previous God's Hand. He's also secretly Void in disguise! Void doesn't want the others to know that he can reach the mortal plane, and he likes manipulating things from behind (for his own nefarious purposes) so he split himself into two and one became SK. All the being an "enemy" of the God's Hand in general, and Void in particular, is just an act.

Istvan wrote:

The Prince wrote:

Sandman wrote:IMO it goes SK(Gaeseric)=Guts and Void=Griffith... Ok Gaeseric was powerful pulling all warring nations underone flag because of his strength, remeber this is when strength was the only thing that mattered, during which time he had a advisor that was very smart and cunning (a Griffith like Void)... now I can only imagine the rest but Void wanted Middland to himself, when Gaeseric found out the about his traitores intentions he had Void locked up on his death bed Void was visited by the former god hand offered the position of fifth god hand but Gaeseric had something to say about that and somehow slew the origanal GodHand. Gaeseric was branded and walked like Guts does now, somehow found the Berserk armour and doned it till he was just a spirit of his former self and Flores somehow turned him into the Skull Knight... now with Griffith and Guts the situation is a little different because in that time and place strength doesnt mean as much so that is why the strategest and Muscle roles have reversed, you could also call it fate.

Interesting......whether that is the case or not. I likey.....

Though how could how a mortal kill the Godhands?

Wait till the end of the series, and we'll know. At least, I presume we will. Although if Gaiseric had the ability to kill members of the God's Hand, I think he'd have taken down Void a looooong time ago.

Wait, I know!! Skull Knight did kill the previous God's Hand. He's also secretly Void in disguise! Void doesn't want the others to know that he can reach the mortal plane, and he likes manipulating things from behind (for his own nefarious purposes) so he split himself into two and one became SK. All the being an "enemy" of the God's Hand in general, and Void in particular, is just an act.

You know....I never thought about that!

Coprophagia will play a major role in the latter arcs of the manga.

MadToaster wrote:Coprophagia will play a major role in the latter arcs of the manga.

Who??? Sorry, the names not ringing a bell.

ok here is how the Griffith and Demon god is going to go...

[spoiler]now that Griffith is in side Ganashakia's head he is dead . Although Ganashaka became from a different plane there might be some sort of struggle but not much. God I hope Guts get on a higher plane then Griffith.[/spoiler]

Istvan wrote:

MadToaster wrote:Coprophagia will play a major role in the latter arcs of the manga.

Who??? Sorry, the names not ringing a bell.

It's not a name, it's just the only really weird thing which has yet to be seen in that most fucked up manga series.

How did the other three guys become godhand members? I bet you slan had something to do with prostitution.

The Herald wrote:How did the other three guys become godhand members? I bet you slan had something to do with prostitution.

That's not a stupid theory. Slan NOT being a prostitute, but in fact being a virgin and practicing nun, THAT'S a stupid theory. (-:

This is why we should have a serious berserk theories thread, but the mods would just eventually merge it with this one because it would eventually get stupid.