Religio-Scientific Ethics of Cooter Burning (Split Thread)

Post by **MrFelony** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 9:20 pm

money is a root of evil, but it isnt evil to have. One can be rich and still get into heaven as long as he isnt attached to his/her worldy possessions. and as long as they use their money for good instead of hoarding it.

Post by **Skullkracker** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 9:21 pm

The root of evil rather selfishness and greed, that is what drives people to do bad things. Being hell bent on sth is a very good expression.

Post by **Killfile** » Sun Jul 03, 2005 12:46 pm

Ok, so while the Bible does support the idea that Jesus had brothers and sisters (not a huge stretch), there exists no scriptural reference that you can find that supports the idea of an OLDER brother or sister. Right?

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure this Ellen J. White is a nice chick and all, but you're arguing from a non-scriptural source published by the Seventh Day Adventists. This is fringe, to say the least, in the Christian community.

We can debate the virgin birth all you like (and I'll continue to maintain that it is a matter of faith), but lets stick to sources that were either there, or fairly close to the occurrence itself. The Apostles, while not contemporaries of Jesus for the most part, at least lived in the same Milena as him. 1500+ years of distance makes a big difference.

Post by **Necromancer** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 11:48 pm

isse-pisse-päron-pung wrote:Yeah exactly what I was going to say. The jews doesn't believe in heaven or hell, they just don't know what will happen and probably doesn't care that much either

And the others know what'll happen?

Post by **Artezul** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 8:36 am

We'd probably all die by then, passing down our biased and stubborn beliefs to our offspring. Eventually their disagreements will be so inbred it mutates into hate, and we start over-generalizing all the faults while blindly refusing rationale. A holy war between the Priests, Alchemists, and Drunks will ensue; leaving nothing behind except a drunken brawl over ethics, booze, and women.

They shouldn't give a damn about the future, they should take it as it comes.

If a comet from the sky is coming toward us, we'll send a couple actors to plant a nuclear warhead in the damn thing.

If Satan were to rise up from the the core of the Earth, we'd be sure to get him to do that in the Pacific.

If a couple of digits in a computer reach 2000 fortells Armageddon as everything supposedly comes crashing down upon us; we'll be sure to be real drunk for when it happens.

If the protagonist of a religion you believe in had siblings, older or younger; should you be concerned? You believe in the ethics and morals he preached, shouldn't that be enough? Isn't that what religion is about? To take up a set of conditions to better yourself and your fellow man.

Yeah, posting and drinking shouldn't be intermixed...

Post by **Starlore** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 11:12 am

Starnum wrote:I think that the course of events that govern the future are a mixture of both destiny and coincidence. It’s deciding which played the hand in important events that matters. We must also factor in free will. I see fate as a layout, but it’s not a definite. It’s like a current, or a flowing stream. However, our choices can divert it or change its path, like a stone parting the waters. However, ultimately such things are all a matter of opinion, and none of it can be proven. So I say to each his own, and in your individual reality, it will be truth.

Fucking hell, if you think my tired ass is going to read all 12 pages to get caught up...sorry to dissapoint, lol. I don't have much time & in all honesty, my overly exhausted ass is hardly in a state to make sense..But for the sake of closing the circle, I'll try.

Interesting to see this thread is still alive tho, to say the least. But its gone so far into becoming a 'Religious' discussion, as opposed to an 'Experiential' one, that my interest has greatly waned, haha. Ultimately, I was hoping it would end up more of a conference of life experiences than a heated debate or arguement...oh well.

Anyway, I can't possibly get caught up in this as fully as I otherwise would, if I didn't have a job, but I'll briefly toss out a few statements where I can...

First thing's first...I'm in no way well off, nor am I rock bottom poor. I live w/family, because I can no longer afford the luxury that is a $1000 a month+ apartment, utilities, etc. I have no car, I don't hold claim to half of the material luxuries most people deem 'necessary' & yes, I'm a 'leech' as far as my anime/manga goes, for the simple reason that I don't have money to spend on myself. 98% of my money, I give to my mother, to help her out of her financial woes. The little I keep for myself, goes to my transportation costs in getting me to & from work & feeding me. That's about it. So no, I'm not well off, but I do work my ass to the bone to survive, so call me in between status' lol.

As far as compassion goes, my compassion outweighs my sense of self, which in itself, is a dangerous thing. This is in no way, a means of building myself up. I have no self esteem in which to do so, it is simply a depiction of who I am....

I actually went so far as to try to get into the Peace Corps for the sake of travelling & doing something hands on, to help people in need. Of course, the Peace Corps caters to people in college, pursuing degrees & w/money, in the first place (which dilutes the concept of simply volunteering for the sake of helping people agh)...so that was a no go. I don't think I can change the world, but I do believe in helping people in any way that you can. Even if it's not on a financial level, anything you do to positively affect the life of another, can bring about a positive outcome where once there was a negative. Therein, I do what I can, when I can, to try to help others, whether its giving them my lunch money, or helping them in something they're attempting to do.

It is indeed, not only selfish, but fucking foolish for anyone to try to place themself above another as far as their status in life goes. Whether you believe yourself to be better than another, or worse off than another. There's no possible way to measure oneself or their experiences, against those of another, in such a manner; as perspectives are always a matter of truth, but an inner sense of 'truth' as opposed to a grand scale one.

In stating that "everything happens for a reason", I didn't place any weight of religion behind it so much as a mixture of 'science' & 'metaphysical' reasoning from own personal experiences. Certainly, there are some fundamental ties in Buddhist Philosophy, but personally, I don't consider it anything so much as "Religious", as blind faith. I'm a spiritual person, yes...a 'religious' one, no.

I was a long time Atheist myself, God knows, I hated religion & anything to do w/it...I have said the same things, so many of you have already voicedin regards to Religion, blind faith & overall, the mislead disposition of Religious people. But with time & experience, my 'voice' changed & now I sit on an opposing side of the fence, which has taken a lot of distasteful & painful events, to shape. But I have no regrets, as I look back...hindsight is indeed 20-20 to me & because of it, I feel significantly stronger in who I am, where I'm going, etc, as well as feeling my perspective of the overall picture, has grown wider.

As Starnum & others have stated, I agree in that life is a play of more than simply 'fate'. There's a great deal of personal choice, influence & action, that plays an equal, if not greater role. To me, "everything happens for a reason", is a PERSONAL statement of realization, based on the truth of outcomes from episodes that have occurred in MY life. This may not stand as truth for some of you, which is fine. But thus far, my life has proven to me otherwise, as the once, seemingly random events that occurred, as well as the actions that followed in response, had a relevent end result rather than not...I see it more as a culmination of different factors, fate/destiny, personal action/reaction & choice, & or karma, among other things.

Even in chaos, order is found if one takes the time to look.

The whole bit about kids suffering in 3rd World countries, really has little relevance. Why? Because their life & experiences are their own, to formulate, speculate & bitch about. They will see things, in their own perspective, which is virtually impossible for us to comment on for the simple fact that we could only ever assume, what life is like for them, having not lived that life ourselves. Its all such a personal question, that it hardly even amounts to discussing beyond "this is what you believe" & "this is what I believe...wow, see there's a difference". Good ole fashioned novelty lol.

But personally, I do believe that there is something to gain from hardship. Not everyone will find this to be truthful, but for many, it is a painfully real truth indeed. Probably sounds cliche', but "that which doesn't kill you..." isn't that far off at all. Sadly, pain is an eternal truth. Its one of the few teachers, humanity has genuinely learned from. Like any kid that doesn't listen to their parent when they say: "stop it, you'll hurt yourself". They don't listen, but when they get hurt, they remember it (well most do anyway) & learn from it.

Hardships are little different. Some may state that its an issue of bad karma, which in some cases, I'm sure it is, but it goes well beyond that as well. There are so many stories of people with terminal illnesses, debilitating diseases & accidents, etc, who have endured more suffering than most of us could imagine, & come away from it having learned a hugely valuable & life changing lesson. For the most part, these end up being positive experiences in the end, which is a testimony to the concept of balance (from the negative, comes a positive). Life truly is what you make of it & regardless how shitty your situation is, it still mostly comes down to what YOU do about it or with it. If you choose to think it fucking sucks & stew in that, it is exactly what it will be. Whereas, if you think it sucks, but accept it & keep fighting to get thru it, you'll come out of it with a stronger sense of self. Its a personal choice, regardless. Some things will break you, yes...but we are left with enough sense, to find the strength to thrive or not. Beyond that, the responsibility falls on noone other than ourself. Really, it is a play of survival...Thrive or don't. Not all of us can be perfectly happy, healthy, well off & pain free. Without challenege, there is no room for growth. Even evolution, works on a scale of enduring suffering, hardship & even death, in order to trigger growth..In most cases, it's large scale deaths, survived by only a handful, which carry on new & stronger genes as a result.

God only has bearing in this, as far as the individuals who place faith in him as having a hand in how their life unfolds. Regardless, it still comes down to their own belief & what they hold in life as truth. Whether that truth happens to be "God runs my life for me, I'm just here for the ride", or "God has little to no affect on my life, other than an observer, or advisor" is for the individual to determine.

Its not even an arguement of where the facts lie & where they don't, as it's impossible to find any, period. This is all so opinion based...all of our experiences in life, may be similar, but how they've affected us, will be completely different. So to try to determine where the "truth" lies, is a wasted effort. All that can be done is to appreciate the beauty of diversity in thought/beliefs & respect each other's experiences as being truthful to them & even, open to seeing new perspectives, for the sake of broadening our own horizons.

I've seen some great points made & it's refreshing to see people using both, their spiritual sense/intuition, as well as their sense of logic. It makes for colorful, eye opening discussions. I thank you all for helping me grow on a level of seeing new concepts where I may not have seen them before. But ultimately, its a no win, debate. Still, it's always fun to share experiences & how they've affected us in life...how we've changed because of them. Anyone wants to go on a metaphysical rant on this level, I'd love to tag along :p But I'll save the forum the drama & keep to IM (since its all I really manage time for if anything, anyway)

Sorry for the lack of sensability, continuity or spell check...I'm not very good at articulating myself & I won't pretend to be. Besides that, I'm tired as shit & running on an empty tank hah. Have fun kiddies

I still love you bastards lol!!!

Post by **Eldo** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 11:20 am

Starlore wrote:Have fun kiddies I still love you bastards lol!!![/color]

Yeah, uh, heh, I love you too.

You'd probably realise that I've only read the first and last sentence of your post. I'm simply a tad tired to read it right now, heh, forgive me.

Post by **Starlore** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 11:26 am

heh, no worries...I fell asleep at least 3 times (that I remember) while writing it! I won't even try to count how many times I dozed while trying to catch up on the previous posts, before giving up! >.< ah well, I'm getting Eldo love so who the fuck cares!? woot! *falls over drooling & snoring*

Post by **Skullkracker** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 11:29 am

If dark blue wasn't my fav caolour I wouldn't have read it either, by I'm tired to comment...only this:

HUUUUGE!

Post by **MrFelony** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 7:57 pm

i read so much that i forgot what i was going to post in response

Post by **Starlore** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:21 am

MrFelony wrote:i read so much that i forgot what i was going to post in response

LOL!! That's what happened to me. I completely lost track of where my train of thought was going...it got further derailed w/each post I read. By the time I started writing, everything I'd read was starting to get lost in the jumble. My 'hiatus' is about to begin again *groans at her job* so I guess I'm officially done w/this topic for now...when I come back, it'll be 50 pages if this keeps up...then we're all doomed agh *Flees in terror of the visions of brain exploding madness sure to ensue*

Post by **Necromancer** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:08 am

Long post... I'll read it later, it's 6 am here.
To be honest I'm probably not going to read it, but I will try, I swear!

Post by **MrFelony** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 6:48 am

hehe i dont think so...it was about to die off i think

. but mainly i agreed with basically what you were saying...or at least what i remember i thought you said haha. and you definitely have my good luck award

. you're the kind of nice person everyone (or at least most people) want ot win the lottery heh

Post by **Shaka Zulu** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:23 pm

Lazy bumps,its not that long.I read it directly,took me a while though.I Wouldnt have botherred if what she said wasn't so well written and thoughtful.You sound like a genuinly nice person,considering how your chain of thoughts are.

Post by **Femto** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 2:17 am

People are going to hate me for this but fuck, this thread was awesome.

I can't find the first part though.

Good times.

EDIT: Jesus Christ, my posts were gigantic.

Someone find the first part!

This is the holy grail of mindwerks.

Post by **psi29a** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 2:25 am

femto you necro.

the first part was somewhere in another thread, killfile split the thread.

Post by **Femto** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 2:41 am

This thread has everything.

Buzkashi trying to be serious, a rookie LordMune, Eldo back when he used to post more than twice a month, dos being dos, Killfile talking about stuff nobody has a clue about, etc, etc, etc.

Fuck, I could probably pick any single post from this thread and start talking about shit for hours.

Good times, good times.

Post by **psi29a** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 2:43 am

The topic that started it all was about some dude who put butter in the microwave, then poored it on his GF's "cooter" to lubricate her. Long story short, she was pissed... walked downstairs and he posted about before confronting his parents... and then the thread started from there.

Post by **Femto** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 2:56 am

psi29a wrote:The topic that started it all was about some dude who put butter in the microwave, then poored it on his GF's "cooter" to lubricate her. Long story short, she was pissed... walked downstairs and he posted about before confronting his parents... and then the thread started from there.

I know.

I started it.

Post by **Malvado** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:39 am

psi29a wrote:The topic that started it all was about some dude who put butter in the microwave, then poored it on his GF's "cooter" to lubricate her. Long story short, she was pissed... walked downstairs and he posted about before confronting his parents... and then the thread started from there.

dont' forget him trying to give her n64 games!!

Post by **Gaiseric** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:50 am

omg, where the hell did this thread come from? I remember reading the first part about the burnt cooter, I thought it was lame so I guess I ignored the thread after reading it. I had no idea how good it got, there is so much stuff in here that I wish I was apart of.

Post by **Eldo** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 5:02 am

It's not over yet! I can bring it alive again! Let me cast the first stone...

God doesn't exist, and you're all morons for believing he does.

Now, what do you say? Will you respond with 'an eye for an eye', or 'turn the other cheek'? Make up your mind before publishing.

Post by **psi29a** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 5:04 am

So if god doesn't exist, then great... the atheist and the theist are on the same footing. If god does exist, then the theist is right, probably in heaven hanging out with Jesus, while the atheist is in hell, probably talking to gandi.

Religion is a cover your own ass thing.

Post by **Eldo** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 5:10 am

I know some people that has the same line of thinking as psi's post, but personally for me, it's a matter of principle. If there really is a higher power, why the hell is he just sitting on his arse doing nothing? However, if I'm trying to chase after some chick who has some degree of religious belief, I wouldn't mind joining the religion. Unless it's Scientology. I'm pretty easy going.

Post by **Femto** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 5:22 am

Eldo wrote:If there really is a higher power, why the hell is he just sitting on his arse doing nothing?

Free will is the excuse some people would give you.

Catholics at least.