Evil Genius

I don't see any holes in the top 3 arrancar. I don't even see a hole in nell maybe you lose it when you become a top 3 arranacar

Rather when you become vasto lorde - as complete being your hole is filled. But Stark's hole was shown and as far as i rememeber Zommari's and Szayel's hole was not visible. So we can ignore my first sentence unless vasto lorde's holes are filled with their resurrección. So until Stark's res. its just another stupid theory^^

I must say this was a good chapter. The thing that urks me though is where was all of this power/confidence from Captain Hits' before?? I guess Kubo couldn't have one of the most popular characters continually get smoked.

I rather see Kubo Tite incompetent. I mean for what purpose was that speech of Hitsugaya about vasto lorde and etc. I simply can't see this great gap between captains and vasto lordes that was mentioned back there. Or maybe Aizen fail to gather even one of them and they are just extremly strong adjuchas type menos?

a kid beating one of the most awesome arrancar is not awesome

Starnum wrote:Nah, we already know for a fact that Grimmjaw was a Vaste Lord, at least that's what I recall from his flashback, about his determination to become one. I'm sure all of the Espada are Vaste Lord level, except Arroniero. He was the only one quoted as being an Adjucha. I agree that the speech Toushiro gave back then was flawed though. It creates a minor plot hole, but it's fairly insignificant, but still annoying. You see that in these types of manga sometimes, where they build the bad guys up to be totally invincible, and then somehow all the good guys start kicking their ass shortly after that. Granted it's still been a while since Toushiro gave that speech, but I still don't see how they all managed to get strong enough to defeat them already. I think it's only been 3 - 6 months since he gave that speech, in the manga's time line. It still gets to me when they do that, I mean it could have been avoided by simply having Toushiro not say that. The author probably hadn't planned this far ahead at that point though. I'm not surprised that it's going this way though, the good guys always find a way to win in these types of series. Sometimes it's cool, and sometimes its not. Anyway, I know some of you guys get tired of seeing Toushiro, but he's still one of my favorite captains, as I've said before. So, I thought this chapter was pretty dope. He's going to use all the clouds in the sky for an attack, that's gonna be pretty sweet. I knew he'd pull out a new attack, but at least he admitted to never having done it before in Bankai, I guess that's something, heh. That probably means it's going to be even more badass than whatever the Shikai version is like! XD

Sorry but you are wrong about Aaroniero. He stated that he is the only gillian among espada. So until last news regarding some facts about espada i was pretty sure that Yammy was adjuchas (being vasto lorde and ranked below gillian wtf?!). That's because Hitsugayas stupid speech about menos classes. I'm sure that you too got the same impression about those two examples resambling Yammy as adjuchas and Ulquiorra as vasto lorde before their transformation into arrancar. Moreover Toushiro said that vasto lordes are more powerful than average captains and since all of the espadas are even more powerful due to being arrancars it's stupid that they lose so easly. I mean Szayel, Zommari and even Nnoitra. So if this is all wrong and they are really vasto lordes even Yammy (whos right now a mystery, thus i suggest to leave his case for now), we should decide:

1) author has no idea what he is trying to show us and should take a break in order to make better and consistent story.
2) he is teasing with us.
3) he is trying to tell us that Toushiro is an idiot and he don't know a thing about vasto lordes and etc.

Oh and one more thing. I don't know when or by who but there was something about appearance of vasto lordes. I mean someone said that they have the shape of humans or something. Don't know if this was about their shape before ressurecion or after but that was said. So we can say that almost every arrancar looks like human .

So don't try make excuses like "You see that in these types of manga sometimes". It's only shows how bad mangaka is.

ShinigamiGuts wrote:a kid beating one of the most awesome arrancar is not awesome

I agree utterly. I think it is time to kill someone from good ones.

ShinigamiGuts wrote:a kid beating one of the most awesome arrancar is not awesome

How many times do I have to explain this? Toushiro, is NOT a kid. Shinigami are the spirits of dead people. Most of them have existed in soul society for thousands of years. Yes, he looks like a kid, but he's probably a lot older than we even know. If he died as a kid, then that's what he'd look like in Soul Society. Thus, he will always look like a kid, no matter how old he gets.

Shiva wrote:Sorry but you are wrong about Aaroniero. He stated that he is the only gillian among espada. So until last news regarding some facts about espada i was pretty sure that Yammy was adjuchas (being vasto lorde and ranked below gillian wtf?!). That's because Hitsugayas stupid speech about menos classes. I'm sure that you too got the same impression about those two examples resambling Yammy as adjuchas and Ulquiorra as vasto lorde before their transformation into arrancar. Moreover Toushiro said that vasto lordes are more powerful than average captains and since all of the espadas are even more powerful due to being arrancars it's stupid that they lose so easly. I mean Szayel, Zommari and even Nnoitra. So if this is all wrong and they are really vasto lordes even Yammy (whos right now a mystery, thus i suggest to leave his case for now), we should decide:

1) author has no idea what he is trying to show us and should take a break in order to make better and consistent story.
2) he is teasing with us.
3) he is trying to tell us that Toushiro is an idiot and he don't know a thing about vasto lordes and etc.

Oh and one more thing. I don't know when or by who but there was something about appearance of vasto lordes. I mean someone said that they have the shape of humans or something. Don't know if this was about their shape before ressurecion or after but that was said. So we can say that almost every arrancar looks like human .

So don't try make excuses like "You see that in these types of manga sometimes". It's only shows how bad mangaka is.

Er, okay, well maybe not all of the current Espada are Vast Lord, but I think most of them are. I'm not making excuses for the author, but this is kind of a reoccuring theme in manga of this style. Though I will admit that I think Kubo Tite over hyped the Arrancar, at least there are some inconsistencies in the story. I agree with you guys, it's ridiculous for a single captain to destroy an Espada, at least according to all of the setup before the captains entered Hueco Mundo. Normally there's at least a reason for why the good guys are able to make such an amazing comeback. Meh, just ignore that stupid speech that Toushiro gave, he was clearly wrong about what he said. There are a few simple explanations for this, if we really care to think about it. One such explanation would be that Toushiro didn't know what the hell he was talking about, or perhaps he was just misinformed. I'm not saying we should forgive the author for the inconsistency though. It's a minor plot hole, but a plot hole none-the-less. *shrugs*

Starnum wrote:How many times do I have to explain this? Toushiro, is NOT a kid. Shinigami are the spirits of dead people. Most of them have existed in soul society for thousands of years. Yes, he looks like a kid, but he's probably a lot older than we even know. If he died as a kid, then that's what he'd look like in Soul Society. Thus, he will always look like a kid, no matter how old he gets.

We can't be sure that they are not aging in SS. That would be stupid if only those who was born in SS can grow and be adult. So what I mean is their lifespan is veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery long and they are aging slowly.
I think that's better idea than being a kid for eternity^^ Again we should blame mangaka for his incompetence.

Starnum wrote:Er, okay, well maybe not all of the current Espada are Vast Lord, but I think most of them are. I'm not making excuses for the author, but this is kind of a reoccuring theme in manga of this style. Though I will admit that I think Kubo Tite over hyped the Arrancar, at least there are some inconsistencies in the story. I agree with you guys, it's ridiculous for a single captain to destroy an Espada, at least according to all of the setup before the captains entered Hueco Mundo. Normally there's at least a reason for why the good guys are able to make such an amazing comeback. Meh, just ignore that stupid speech that Toushiro gave, he was clearly wrong about what he said. There are a few simple explanations for this, if we really care to think about it. One such explanation would be that Toushiro didn't know what the hell he was talking about, or perhaps he was just misinformed. I'm not saying we should forgive the author for the inconsistency though. It's a minor plot hole, but a plot hole none-the-less. *shrugs*

Maybe minor but there are more than just one or rather they can be simply viewed as stupid statements.

Starnum wrote:Well, whatever the case is, I don't think he's nearly as young as he looks.

Of course not. For them century is nearly nothing or at most decade for humans^^. But despite being very talented he still have much to learn. And it appears that he can be considered the weakest captain in 13 Court Guard Squad. But well it's not the case right now.

Starnum wrote:As for the inconsistencies, yeah I think the mangaka contradicts himself sometimes. Bleach definitely loses points for that. It's like he made the whole hollow thing too complex and then forgot exactly what he said. Yeah, there's no excuse for that. If it's that much trouble, go back over your own material and make notes, I mean come on. As an author, you've got to be prepared for these kind of things. Don't build up the conflict too much if you don't know how the main characters are going to overcome it. As you can see here, if you just wing it, then it breaks the reality that's been set up, especially if the bad guys are supposed to be vastly more powerful than the good guys. At least that's what I'm seeing here. *sigh* Eh, what are you gonna do? *shrugs*

I will wait patiently for the end of the story. It's not my habit to abandon any title that i started^^ I think this subject is closed for now, since we both see those imperfection ok?

Hitsugaya is a kid.

He´s very young in Death God standards so it really amounts to the same. He´s supposed to be a genius but he doesn´t have lot´s of experience and control over his powers as Shawlong said WAY BACK that his Bankai is incomplete and it would break away the moment the last of his ice flowers disappeared.

And Hitsugaya only has 2 of them now and one of them only has 2 petals.


But it´s still fucking inconsistent how he´s still alive, he got his ass handed to him by the fucking part time 6th Espada. I beleive he will lose this battle but shit, he should be dead the moment Halibel released but he still craps out new "never seen before, awesome techniques" each fukcing chapter.

I hate this character with a burning passion.

Starnum wrote:How many times do I have to explain this? Toushiro, is NOT a kid. Shinigami are the spirits of dead people. Most of them have existed in soul society for thousands of years. Yes, he looks like a kid, but he's probably a lot older than we even know. If he died as a kid, then that's what he'd look like in Soul Society. Thus, he will always look like a kid, no matter how old he gets.
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Gin, Rangiku, Nanao etc.. Have aged in SS!

Kubo Tite makes this crap up as he goes along that much is obvious. I mean I liked the latest chapter but all he has done (for reasons stated by others) is destroy the credibility of his stuff earlier. Lets just see if this really is a popularity contest.

Starnum wrote:Yes, I've already admitted that they do age while in SS, but it's very slowly, as Sheva said. I know that they've mentioned all this before. They also said that they live in SS for so long that they forget their past life in the real world. I suspect after a thousand years you probably would. So maybe Toushiro is like 1400, and Gin and Rangiku are in their 2000's. Perhaps that would be a more accurate description.

Sheva Alomar ? huh thanks Starnum^^

I doubt that he is like 1400. Why? The answer is "Turn Back the Pendulum". Those events occurs 110 years ago (by Maximum7). I'm too lazy to recapitulate those flashbacks fully so I will limit it to Nanao Ise only. Currently she is the lieutenant of the 8th Division, but back then she was only a little girl. You should already realise what I mean.if not I will make it easy - she became adult in the lenght of one century. For more examples try to recall Rukia's, Renji's and Ganju's flashbacks.

Oh and one more prove to make it clearer Ch.-15: "Death in the Field of Ice". This chapter introduce the first apperance of Hyourinmaru and that happens during Hinamoris studies in academy which occurs after "Turn Back the Pendulum". So it would be stupid if he find out about his powers after 1000 years of living in SS? So in other words he is really young and a captain for few years at most.

Again blame author^^ Sorry for my english. If you can't understand something tell and i willtry to fix it.

This isn´t exactly hard to grasp.

Death Gods age, albeit very slowly.

What´s the exact growth/time ratio we don´t know but we do know that a little kid/teenager takes over 100 years to turn into an adult, Since Gin and Nanao were kids and Byakuya was a teenager.

So Hitsugaya is probably 100/200 years old, something around that.

Plus Yamamoto is at least 1000 years old since he built the Death God academy and he´s old as fuck, so you set up the age of those character far to high Starnum.

Indeed. I think there is nothing more to tell until Kubo Tite gives as something

Starnum wrote:Stupid inconsistencies, I do blame the author.

Finally^^

Starnum wrote:Oh, sorry about the name Shiva. I've been playing too much RE5 I guess. XD

No problem huh^^ or rather as apology we should play mercenaries ps3^^

well it was a good chapter except for the bullshit in the middle with the ice flowers.

Heh she will not die anyway. Aizen was pretty confident with power of the top three espadas. In other words Halibel dies=Bleach dies for me almost^^.

Although this technique looks cool for me

Deathbringer wrote:Hitsugaya is a kid.
But it´s still fucking inconsistent how he´s still alive, he got his ass handed to him by the fucking part time 6th Espada. I beleive he will lose this battle but shit, he should be dead the moment Halibel released but he still craps out new "never seen before, awesome techniques" each fukcing chapter.

I hate this character with a burning passion.

Deus ex machina anyone? I really did want to see some of the captains die in this battle. That would have made things a bit more realistic. Its so fake how the good guys win every battle.