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Femto: pirate story makes sense if we consider that Guts party will have to sail to the elf kingdom... sooner or later.
Maybe pirates will be important soon (when Guts party will be escaping after the ball)

Brainpiercing: Even if Miura has the whole story already planned, whenever a big change happens, we as readers feel it. The Eclipse was obviously planned from the beginning, but he took his chances by changing the status quo and killing all of the Hawks. I didn't mean Miura randomly turning things upside down, but him turning things upside down for us readers. Maybe that's where the confusion comes from.

akari: That kinda makes sense. Still, a pirate story seems a little out of place in Berserk IMO.

Even though pirates may seem a bit off you have to consider the fact that there actually existed "real" pirates once =)

When I read it I related it to some other series, take Naruto for example, new fighters with new fighting techniques all the time. The pirate was, as I see it, one of those characters that made a chapter a bit more interesting because of his fighting style.

Well, flame me for this one, but his hat was way more cool than Femto's (I stole your smiley too, harr haarr ^^)

The troll story also felt out of place at first, but he pulled it into context nicely with the troll-cave scene with Slann. Maybe later the pirates will also be put into context.

Also, a lot of the berserk story just acts as scenerey for character development. Unlike a lot of other manga authors Miura knows a lot about that, and always plays it out very subtly and slowly, but needs to set a scene for a certain development. So what if that scene is just another new enemy, this is Berserk, after all.

Finito wrote:Becuz they like to masturbate intellectualy so im pleasing them

Oh definitely. Feh, anyway, I leave for just a bit, and see what I miss out on. Anyway, I’m glad we’re done talking about, because frankly, who gives a fuck. We can all believe whatever we want I suppose. Yeah, so I wouldn’t mind seeing some more Miura pirate action.

Woffie^^ wrote:Well, flame me for this one, but his hat was way more cool than Femto's (I stole your smiley too, harr haarr ^^)

Don't mess with teh hat or Femto will burn you to a crisp!
You can use my smiley though.

Seriously though, the trolls did feel out of place, but I think they fit better in Miura's fantasy world than pirates do. I mean, it's like a whole different ballpark. Pirates, knights, ninjas, these are things that should not be mixed, they're from separate worlds I think. Meh, I'll stop with the pirate talk now, it seems I won't be able to hold my own on this one. We'll see if Miura decides to work pirates into the story sometime later.

I must say the pirates did look a bit cliché (and as such didn't fit in with the knights and demons), but then, Miura likes to display cliché stuff now and then. I mean, he takes inspirations from tons of sources, and doesn't mind if it's been there before.

I think the trouble with pirates in any story is that everyone thinks of them as in those 16th-18th-century setting swashbuckling stories, but the fact is, pirates are just robbers on ships, they don't have to look that way. All that wooden leg and eye-patch crap is what makes the cliché. As such I think they should have looked different (like medieval pirates), but there were always pirates, in every period of history where there was seafaring.

So I'll accept the pirates, but remind me to really start bitching if Gats ever turns up on Monkey Island.

Brainpiercing wrote:I must say the pirates did look a bit cliché (and as such didn't fit in with the knights and demons), but then, Miura likes to display cliché stuff now and then. I mean, he takes inspirations from tons of sources, and doesn't mind if it's been there before.

I think the trouble with pirates in any story is that everyone thinks of them as in those 16th-18th-century setting swashbuckling stories, but the fact is, pirates are just robbers on ships, they don't have to look that way. All that wooden leg and eye-patch crap is what makes the cliché. As such I think they should have looked different (like medieval pirates), but there were always pirates, in every period of history where there was seafaring.

So I'll accept the pirates, but remind me to really start bitching if Gats ever turns up on Monkey Island.

You got that right, it's true. The stereotypical pirate has a peg-leg and an eye-patch but the "occupation" doesn't have a strict dress code. In some ways Griffith acted like a pirate too, did that start a discussion?

It must be the common disease known as prejudice that's raging our minds. I mean describe a Mexican, at least I would include a sombrero and a poncho, surprised?

Besides, how many in this forum, or anywhere else, have actually met a pirate?

Besides THAT, did you in any way dislike the pirate chapter, or did you just happen to stumble upon the fact that he really was i pirate? At least I didn't thought about it until I re-read it

Femto, I L O V E your hat, but you've got to admit that a pirates hat is the shit ^^

The reason why troll exists in this story is what I think atleast is quite clear. Everyone in Europe was afraid of trolls and other unreal creatures. I always regard this as an european 'knights tale'. So I guess Mr. Miura has read european history and old tales. !

Woffie^^ wrote: Besides, how many in this forum, or anywhere else, have actually met a pirate?

Ya-vast ye scurvy nave. The Jolly Roger flies over us all. yar.

Anywho, pirates are still relevant, in Micronesia and Latin America. You just don't see them stealing American Destroyers and Frigates.

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dos.azn wrote:okay everyone cool off with finito. no im not trying to protect him. once a dumbass always a dumbass so you can't convince him otherwise. believe me, i remember since the days of digital panic. so just let him be and move on

Wow, I normally expect you to jump right in and start flaming.

yeah normally i would, im jus saying its a waste of time based on experience from the dP days

isse-pisse-päron-pung wrote:The reason why troll exists in this story is what I think atleast is quite clear. Everyone in Europe was afraid of trolls and other unreal creatures. I always regard this as an european 'knights tale'. So I guess Mr. Miura has read european history and old tales. !

It's always the same, many japanese authors like europe and germany of course. I like how they like us while we like them.

The pirates kinda suck, they have nothing to offer that would be able to put up a good fight against the party, all they could do is make them some cheap trouble like attack the elf village while they are absent or take an hostage like Caska, which would be very lame and boring.

(Side note, Hehe this thread was fun for the time it lasted, dont feel bad, I never kinda missed on pissing people off at school and making up stupid stories, im SORRY guys)

Why pirates (technically they called them selves slave traitors)? Why not, the party is at port you need an enemy that is not too powerful but resourceful enough to put up a fight against Mr. Fire Dagger him self. This volume is also all about choices. Ijidodo was a chance to be a pirate, Scherkie has a chance to join the band of the hawk, Farnase has a chance to get married but I am sure that they will choose to go with Guts.

As for the time period for pirates would it have been more correct to use Vikings?? I would have to say pirates seem to fit. I also don't think you guys have any thing to worry about because Ishi killed the leader so I am pretty sure they will not make another appearance, unless Guts and party decided to steal there ship. I cant wait to see what happens in the next chapter, do you think that Guts and Serpico will stop fighting to fight that beast? Who knows.

Libaax wrote:I wanna know his reason to fight Guts so bad,just hope that it isn't a lame reason like "i wanna protect Farnese from you guys kind of thing" Cause he thinks she is happy being a tool for Magnifico and his friend.

Noob post be gentle on me

I've always thought that its a personel thing between the two, but mostly just the two wanting to know who's the better swordsman. When they first exchanged blows way back in chapter 17 Serpico left because he knew he was outmatched and didn't want to throw his life away, everytime since then he's retreated as soon as he thought he had lost the upperhand, and I think he just wants to finish this unfinished buisiness.

That being said, I think he has nothing against Guts meeting back up with Farnese, and will probably be a team player after getting cut down a few notches

Woffie^^ wrote:Besides, how many in this forum, or anywhere else, have actually met a pirate?

Heh, had to back Psi up on this one. I’m a pirate, in a sense. Obviously not the kind we’re referring to, but maybe a little, at heart. As for more pirates in Berserk, yeah, they’d need to be formidable. Perhaps an apostle pirate on the high seas or something. I’m going to have to agree that more cliché pirates would be kind of lame.

As for Serpico, I too think things might be able to return to normal, once Gatts puts him back in his place and has a good talking to Farnese. However, you never know, so we'll just have to wait and see.

Starnum always beats me to what I want to say. Damn my internet and getting disconnected a while ago. I was going to say that most of us here are pirates in a sense.

Pirates chapter was just like a fun chapter to hold us over while we wait for the story to progress. I think it had some character devolopment and the reintroduction of Azan(I finally give up and agree that he is Azan) as well as have young knight guy(forgot his name) and Isidoro fight, perhaps he joins them later as well, and the relationship between him and Isidro become important. I also have a feeling that the pirates may come into play when leaving the port, which I have a feeling will involve them being chased by an army.

Femto's hat pwns all.

I think this whole Volume is a filler with all the character development and story stalling, but in the end I think it will be worth the wait. They will get a ship and leave with Farnase, Serpico, and Azan, the city will be burnt to the ground, Kushan Navy and armies will be destroyed along with most of the Apostle army but no major deaths. Sorry to say I don't think we will get to see the berserker in this volume, but here is to hope.

I could go without ever seeing the berserker armor in action again. I never really cared for it in the first place, but I know somewhat what you mean, except I would not call character development filler. Since character development is a key part of storytelling I would put it in an important category of not being filler. If you are referring to filler as anything not including fighting then yes you are right, but that is a terrible way to look at a story. Berserk is so great because it has hack and slash as well as a great story, character development, and awesome artwork. I have been enjoying seeing alot of the development in the previous chapters. Don't get me wrong though, I am looking forward to seeing him swing the sword again, especially this Serpico fight. Will kick ass IMO.

Serpico Guts. Look whose going too whip who.

Sandman wrote:I think this whole Volume is a filler with all the character development and story stalling, but in the end I think it will be worth the wait.

the volume isnt really a filler. the volume is just solely for development. after countless volumes of crazy blood, gore, and violence, miura decided its time to build up a story again. i mean would volumes 1-13 be the same without such an amazing story of the hawks? yup and your right, once again it will be worth the wait

Some of these new guys just want violence. Not like we don't mind it though.

I was referring to the Mediterranean pirates, the kind I guess we'll not ever meet again =)

But Starnum, you got it straight, pirates is okay but to a limit, I give you that one.

Although, wouldn't it be nice to see Gatts as a jolly pirate singing along with his "peg-arm" and his crew aboard a great ship, roaming the seven seas?
Maybe an eye patch, a catchy bandana, Puck as a parrot and on top of that, a niiiiice Pirate's hat! Harr!

Well ... Guts would make a good pirate - he already do not have one eye and one arm
But it would be nice to see a great fight on the sea. It would be more dangerous for Guts - he could be drowned.
Interesting... is Berserker armor water proof ??

I wouldn't expect it to be water-proof, but I would expect it to be heavy...he also said he wouldn't like to go swimming again in armor after he fell from that cliff with casca.