Newbie Berserk Discussion Thread

[Eldo]

Yes, you really should think before you post. Otherwise you would have submitted your post properly with the proper youtube tags.

Thanks for playing.

[The Prince]

Yes, you really should think before you post. Otherwise you would have submitted your post properly with the proper youtube tags.

Thanks for playing.

Clever.

Never had such a tag with other boards.

No need to be snippy skippy.

[Rolos]

Prince, in the AMV thread Eldo explained how to use the youtube thingy.

http://www.evil-genius.us/forums/viewto ... &start=200



In a totally unrelated note , Does anyone else think that the "Reincarnator" looks like the core of the idea of evil?
I know someone else already said that in the "chapter 292" thread, but I think this thread is more appropriate to discuss newbieish theories.

[Istvan]

I believe we got ahead of ourselves since the argument started from what the GH knew in terms of what "is to be", not the Idea itself. When the members of the GH stated that they can't know everything (b/c they're not God), which was what I was basing my original POV from.

But Idea is god for this manga, so theoretically it might know everything. Also, although the God's Hand admit things can happen that they don't expect, they also say that it's extremely rare and only happens during special times such as a sacrifice/eclipse.

[Eldo]

I believe we got ahead of ourselves since the argument started from what the GH knew in terms of what "is to be", not the Idea itself. When the members of the GH stated that they can't know everything (b/c they're not God), which was what I was basing my original POV from.

Thus far, as Istvan has stated, Idea is God for this manga. As Idea paths out the fate by manipulating the DNA structure so that they are set in stone, that would suggest that Idea is seemingly omniscient. Now, as the members of God Hand confess that they don't know everything, I take it that they don't know as much as Idea would. Just like the apostles don't know as much as the God Hand. To suggest a flaw in a system (Idea) to be an intervention of a higher order (which hasn't been established) seems to be stretching the logic a bit.

Regarding what you so adamantly take issue with. From my end I find such abstract concepts hard to rationalize, and at this point don't see it as cut and dry and you want to make it seem....IMHO.

I take my theories from the manga itself, anything not stated in Berserk is purely speculation (I personally hate speculation without merit or evidence, because it ultimately goes nowhere). This is Miura's world, not ours. We are not penning this manga, so we can only take information from his mouth. Any other addition concepts outside Berserk becomes a fan fiction of your own work, and not of the manga. I cannot introduce any new theories or concepts that aren't in the manga, such as the existence of a higher god when it's not explicitly stated in the manga. I cannot argue the existence of the Loch Ness monster or Ewoks in the manga, because I'm not writing it. This is Miura's world, everything that's taken in are from clues given by Miura, and not from us randomly assorting wild speculation.

But I have my reasons for my views. Under the assumption that Guts may in fact play a part in the prophecies of Berserk when its all said and done, there would be several passages from the manga, which would support my argument. But at this point, there is no "one" passage I can draw up to prove that the Idea isn't as omnipotent as made out to be.

By all means, feel free to quote them, or at least make mention of it. I wouldn't mind a good debate. I can't argue that Idea is omnipotent, as the existence and role of Guts seems to suggest otherwise. However, a higher being than Idea has not been suggested in the manga, hence, you or I can't argue the existence of it. As with the logic above, I can't argue for the existence of God in other mangas, such as NHK, Zetman, Angel Heart, etc when it's not mentioned. I wouldn't argue the existence of Idea if I hadn't read the lost chapter.

*Not that this has anything to do with you, but how hilarious is this shit!....But..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N80nUa7r ... re=related

As this was your only reply to my post which you quoted at the time before you edited it, I could only presume that the video was directed at me.

[The Prince]

Thus far, as Istvan has stated, Idea is God for this manga. As Idea paths out the fate by manipulating the DNA structure so that they are set in stone, that would suggest that Idea is seemingly omniscient. Now, as the members of God Hand confess that they don't know everything, I take it that they don't know as much as Idea would. Just like the apostles don't know as much as the God Hand. To suggest a flaw in a system (Idea) to be an intervention of a higher order (which hasn't been established) seems to be stretching the logic a bit.

Fair enough.

I take my theories from the manga itself, anything not stated in Berserk is purely speculation (I personally hate speculation without merit or evidence, because it ultimately goes nowhere). This is Miura's world, not ours. We are not penning this manga, so we can only take information from his mouth. Any other addition concepts outside Berserk becomes a fan fiction of your own work, and not of the manga. I cannot introduce any new theories or concepts that aren't in the manga, such as the existence of a higher god when it's not explicitly stated in the manga. I cannot argue the existence of the Loch Ness monster or Ewoks in the manga, because I'm not writing it. This is Miura's world, everything that's taken in are from clues given by Miura, and not from us randomly assorting wild speculation.

There's a big difference btw making shit up and recreational speculation. I have provided rationale, which you may or may not agree with, but accusing me of making shit up for arguments sake is laughable. At worst I'm guilty of taking the liberty to speculate on a few things. If it wasn't for speculation, and reading into beyond what the type-written content has provided, this discussion board would be baren. Leaving you no one to hold your nose up over.

By all means, feel free to quote them, or at least make mention of it. I wouldn't mind a good debate. I can't argue that Idea is omnipotent, as the existence and role of Guts seems to suggest otherwise. However, a higher being than Idea has not been suggested in the manga, hence, you or I can't argue the existence of it. As with the logic above, I can't argue for the existence of God in other mangas, such as NHK, Zetman, Angel Heart, etc when it's not mentioned. I wouldn't argue the existence of Idea if I hadn't read the lost chapter.

Really?

*Not that this has anything to do with you, but how hilarious is this shit!....But..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N80nUa7r ... re=related

As this was your only reply to my post which you quoted at the time before you edited it, I could only presume that the video was directed at me.

It was only edited because I was playing around with the embed option. And the only perspective I was coming from was to lighten up the atmosphere. I apologize if you took it the wrong way.

[Eldo]

There's a big difference btw making shit up and recreational speculation. I have provided rationale, which you may or may not agree with, but accusing me of making shit up for arguments sake is laughable.

I am responding directly on your claim that Guts has a destiny to oppose fate. That is nothing but wild speculation on your part, and there is no substance whatsoever to back this claim up. However, your previous points where you made references to the manga about Guts using the behelit I have responded with my own rationale, drawing my own evidence from the manga. Whether you agree or not is your own right, but I stand by my points. I have continually responded to your points, and you have yet to refute my own points to the stage where I doubt the validity my position. What I am saying is that in order for your theories to sound more credible, or for any member or myself to agree with you, support it up with some hard facts. So far, I'm critically against your speculation about Guts' destiny to oppose fate; to have a underlying mechanism to oppose a mechanism. If you can quote from the manga where there is a higher order than Idea that governs fate, we can then be on the same page.

At worst I'm guilty of taking the liberty to speculate on a few things. If it wasn't for speculation, and reading into beyond what the type-written content has provided, this discussion board would be baren.

There's a reason why there's no versus threads in this forum. Why? It's because we discourage wild speculation. If we were to allow speculation to run amok, this would become Narutofan forums, with a million threads generated per day. You could feel free to direct your wildest speculation to the stupid theories thread. However, this thread is not the stupid theories thread. That's not to say that the stupid theories thread is devoid of intellectual banter or serious discussion. When speculation is drawn based on some of the evidence from the manga, then it becomes a theory, and not entirely anything random. We try to maintain the quality of this forum, and to stop the forum from mindlessly degenerating ala Narutofans style. Now, that's not to say that I think your speculation is stupid, but when I'm actively involved in a discussion, I try to halt the broader spectrum of speculation so that we can both be convinced at the validity of your or mine own theory when it's kept within the frame of Berserk only.

Leaving you no one to hold your nose up over.

What? Little old me? If disagreeing with you is to hold my nose up over anyone, then guilty. You present your opinion, I disagreed with it, and gave you my reasoning as to why. The Guts using the Behelit theory has been discussed to death over the course of this forum, as well as this forum that preceded it (DigitalPanic). I've been with EG forums for over 2 years, and have seen many posts and rationales as to why Guts could use the Behelit, and it has all been the same reasoning: because Slann said so. We have disproved it using much...harsher...methods by people other than myself. Count yourself lucky as you did not make your post 2 years ago, otherwise you would have left the forum crying. My response has been tame in comparison, and have found no flaming towards or directed at you (I could be wrong though, feel free to compile my list of insults towards you, and we'll make a 'Best of Eldo' post), so I have no idea why you feel uptight about it. Feel free to ask the veterans here for numerous accounts of the past people who have asked about Guts' using the behelit. That's Starnum, Femto, psi29a, and Buzkashi. These are the people who have been at this forum and at DP as long or longer than I have. I responded to your remarks that you have directed at me, but countered it probably better than you could have handled it, hence your direct remark towards me holding my nose up over anyone. If I say that your post is ridiculous, why, that means I must be extremely arrogant to not agree with you and for posting my opinion.

Also, if you're still not satisfied about my responses, feel free to start a thread about what an arsehole I am in the Interstice. That would probably help stop the subtle insults and remarks, and go onto the direct stuff. I am not a diplomat, nor do I take particular care in ensuring that I don't hurt the delicate feelings of the members in this forum. Well, besides maybe the members of EG. The biggest tip here is to not pull Starnum's elven ears.

By all means, feel free to quote them, or at least make mention of it. I wouldn't mind a good debate. I can't argue that Idea is omnipotent, as the existence and role of Guts seems to suggest otherwise. However, a higher being than Idea has not been suggested in the manga, hence, you or I can't argue the existence of it. As with the logic above, I can't argue for the existence of God in other mangas, such as NHK, Zetman, Angel Heart, etc when it's not mentioned. I wouldn't argue the existence of Idea if I hadn't read the lost chapter.

Really?

Yar rly. I'd love to keep baiting you. It's purely unintentional though.

It was only edited because I was playing around with the embed option. And the only perspective I was coming from was to lighten up the atmosphere. I apologize if you took it the wrong way.

If you intention was not to insult me, then there's no apology that needs to be made. The reason for my counter was because it seemed like the video was a failed attempt at ridiculing me, in which now you say is not. However, you may want to use the preview button when messing with the unknown functions and the such.

[The Prince]

I am responding directly on your claim that Guts has a destiny to oppose fate. That is nothing but wild speculation on your part, and there is no substance whatsoever to back this claim up. However, your previous points where you made references to the manga about Guts using the behelit I have responded with my own rationale, drawing my own evidence from the manga. Whether you agree or not is your own right, but I stand by my points. I have continually responded to your points, and you have yet to refute my own points to the stage where I doubt the validity my position. What I am saying is that in order for your theories to sound more credible, or for any member or myself to agree with you, support it up with some hard facts. So far, I'm critically against your speculation about Guts' destiny to oppose fate; to have a underlying mechanism to oppose a mechanism. If you can quote from the manga where there is a higher order than Idea that governs fate, we can then be on the same page.

Conviction Arc.
Birth Ceremony Chapter
Spirit Road, Part 2

[Eldo]

That chapter is pivotal as this is one of the chapters that suggest that Guts is opposing his fate, but not that he's destined to oppose fate. As I have said, there's a difference. Unless you want to decrypt what SK is saying and point to it specifically where it says that Guts is destined from the beginning to oppose fate rather than regularly opposing his fate, because the guy never gives a straight answer, otherwise I don't follow you.

[Aetherfukz]

I'm with Eldo on this one. There is a big difference between opposing your fate, and being destined or fated to do so. The first lies outside of the idea of fate. The latter is inside fate. If you are fighting against your fate, you do just that, you do things you are not destined to do. If you are destined to fight against fate however - that would be an oxymoron. If you are destined to fight fate, you are not fighting fate, you are doing as you are told to do. But you are told to not do what you are told to do... which leads to an infinite loop of logical fallacies.

[Istvan]

I'm with Eldo and Aetherfukz on this one. There are various indications that Guts may have been "fated" to die during the eclipse, so by surviving he is now outside of Fate. This is further supported by the comments the God's Hand make amoung themselves during the eclipse which indicate that under such extreme cases as an eclipse it is just barely possible (though extremely rare) for something unexpected/unplanned to occur. Such as Guts surviving. There has also been a lot of speculation (referencing Chaos theory) that a single unplanned element might eventually be enough to destroy Idea's entire plan. Not everyone agrees with this thought, but the opposition usually claim that Guts was never intended to die and he is still inside of fate and Idea's plan. But to argue that he was "fated" to get outside of Idea's plan and oppose Idea is just ludicrous when Idea is the one forming fate.

[The Prince]

I'm with Eldo and Aetherfukz on this one. There are various indications that Guts may have been "fated" to die during the eclipse, so by surviving he is now outside of Fate. This is further supported by the comments the God's Hand make amoung themselves during the eclipse which indicate that under such extreme cases as an eclipse it is just barely possible (though extremely rare) for something unexpected/unplanned to occur. Such as Guts surviving. There has also been a lot of speculation (referencing Chaos theory) that a single unplanned element might eventually be enough to destroy Idea's entire plan. Not everyone agrees with this thought, but the opposition usually claim that Guts was never intended to die and he is still inside of fate and Idea's plan. But to argue that he was "fated" to get outside of Idea's plan and oppose Idea is just ludicrous when Idea is the one forming fate.

Alright Goddamnit I'll concede!

Istvan you are the bane of my existence.

I'm with Eldo on this one. There is a big difference between opposing your fate, and being destined or fated to do so. The first lies outside of the idea of fate. The latter is inside fate. If you are fighting against your fate, you do just that, you do things you are not destined to do. If you are destined to fight against fate however - that would be an oxymoron. If you are destined to fight fate, you are not fighting fate, you are doing as you are told to do. But you are told to not do what you are told to do... which leads to an infinite loop of logical fallacies.

Huh?

That's not exactly what I was arguing.

But.....Oh well, interesting nonetheless....I guess.

[Aetherfukz]

I'm with Eldo on this one. There is a big difference between opposing your fate, and being destined or fated to do so. The first lies outside of the idea of fate. The latter is inside fate. If you are fighting against your fate, you do just that, you do things you are not destined to do. If you are destined to fight against fate however - that would be an oxymoron. If you are destined to fight fate, you are not fighting fate, you are doing as you are told to do. But you are told to not do what you are told to do... which leads to an infinite loop of logical fallacies.

Huh?

That's not exactly what I was arguing.

But.....Oh well, interesting nonetheless....I guess.

How is that not exactly what you were arguing?

4.) If Guts chooses to use the behelit, than obviously he was fated to use it. Just like Guts was fated to survive the eclipse, where according to the GH, he along with the rest of the BOH, was pre-ordained to be sacrificed. Obviously the GH were wrong on that, and specifically conceeded to the fact that Guts being rescued was completely unexpected.

My point in terms of Guts living outside of fate, has more to do with living outside of "The Idea's" direct influence. In that the Idea has spun a web where everything inevitably falls into place, where people are fated to act accordingly to preserve whatever has been destined to occur.

Where as far as Guts is concerned, whether it was from the moment of his "cursed" birth or his relentless will to survive (events of the eclipse), he has for whatever reason broke free from the fate the Idea layed upon him. So just because Guts' destiny lies outside of the "Idea's" direct influence does not equate that Guts does not have a "fate", only that his "fate" is beyond that of the Idea's.

[The Prince]

I'm with Eldo on this one. There is a big difference between opposing your fate, and being destined or fated to do so. The first lies outside of the idea of fate. The latter is inside fate. If you are fighting against your fate, you do just that, you do things you are not destined to do. If you are destined to fight against fate however - that would be an oxymoron. If you are destined to fight fate, you are not fighting fate, you are doing as you are told to do. But you are told to not do what you are told to do... which leads to an infinite loop of logical fallacies.

Huh?

That's not exactly what I was arguing.

But.....Oh well, interesting nonetheless....I guess.

How is that not exactly what you were arguing?

4.) If Guts chooses to use the behelit, than obviously he was fated to use it. Just like Guts was fated to survive the eclipse, where according to the GH, he along with the rest of the BOH, was pre-ordained to be sacrificed. Obviously the GH were wrong on that, and specifically conceeded to the fact that Guts being rescued was completely unexpected.

My point in terms of Guts living outside of fate, has more to do with living outside of "The Idea's" direct influence. In that the Idea has spun a web where everything inevitably falls into place, where people are fated to act accordingly to preserve whatever has been destined to occur.

Where as far as Guts is concerned, whether it was from the moment of his "cursed" birth or his relentless will to survive (events of the eclipse), he has for whatever reason broke free from the fate the Idea layed upon him. So just because Guts' destiny lies outside of the "Idea's" direct influence does not equate that Guts does not have a "fate", only that his "fate" is beyond that of the Idea's.

Istvan's POV, whether I agree or not, at least puts my argument in its proper perspective. While yours appears more nuance driven.

Anyways......

[Eldo]

Istvan's POV, whether I agree or not, at least puts my argument in its proper perspective. While yours appears more nuance.

Anyways......

With Istvan's post, which you conceded with, you do realise that he's agreeing with the argument that Aetherfukz and myself put forth. Basically, Istvan rephrased some of our points and added some of his own. I've made numerous posts to why your reasoning was flawed. All it took was one Istvan post for you to realise it. So, all I have to do is change my user name to a variant of Istvan to convince you in the future.

Now, as you consider this beating a dead horse even though it happened what within a day which was the basis for our argument(s), I'd rather this thread concentrate about Berserk rather than your vices and you side stepping the subject.

[The Prince]

Istvan's POV, whether I agree or not, at least puts my argument in its proper perspective. While yours appears more nuance.

Anyways......

With Istvan's post, which you conceded with, you do realise that he's agreeing with the argument that Aetherfukz and myself put forth. Basically, Istvan rephrased some of our points and added some of his own. I've made numerous posts to why your reasoning was flawed. All it took was one Istvan post for you to realise it. So, all I have to do is change my user name to a variant of Istvan to convince you in the future.

Naaah.....it's not like that at all. I just happen to respect Istvan that's all. And the guy gets to the point, where I don't have to sift through a bunch of inane grandstanding to get to it.

Now, as you consider this beating a dead horse even though it happened what within a day which was the basis for our argument(s), I'd rather this thread concentrate about Berserk rather than your vices and you side stepping the subject.

Talk about an oxymoron.

When I said I would concede, was me trying to be cordial. But if you still have your panties in a bunch, I have no problem pulling them back over your head. If you want to continue, let's take it somewhere else.

[Aetherfukz]

Talk about inane grandstanding...

I don't care who you fuck with, or who you respect, but I personally wouldn't start a flame war with a forum moderator and on top of that an EG team member. But to each his own.

A serious discussion is one thing, a good thing. But flaming around after we point out contradictions in your so-called argumentation is another thing: childish.

So if you could care to step down your flaming throne once, and join us in an intelligent discussion, so be it. But if so still act all so high and mighty Mr. Unfailable, I don't recon you will make many friends in this forum.

...

[Eldo]

Naaah.....it's not like that at all. I just happen to respect Istvan that's all. And the guy gets to the point, where I don't have to sift through a bunch of inane grandstanding to get to it.

Oh, you mean what you don't get you consider inane? That's OK, I'll type in less words and maybe type like an idiot to get to your level of understanding. I mean, considering that you didn't get a single point of my posts and decided to dodge my arguments by attempting to troll me.

Talk about an oxymoron.

Just in case you don't know what an oxymoron is:

oxymoron

noun
conjoining contradictory terms (as in 'deafening silence')

Which I used the word in the correct context and application when you mentioned 'a fate to oppose fate' contradiction. Just in case you do think it was an insult to you because of the 'moron' part of the word, which wasn't by the way. The word oxymoron was never intended to be an insult. But you can't spell oxymoron without 'moron'. I'm so glad that at least you could understand the moron part of the word though. I guess Fox News does at least teach you some words but not all.

When I said I would concede, was me trying to be cordial.

Oh, you mean you posted something you didn't mean? Why bother posting it at all? Oh dear, I guess you were courteous enough to pretend to concede to his/our argument, but just not enough to mean it.

Just in case you don't know what 'concede' meant, here's a definition:

concede
1. To acknowledge, often reluctantly, as being true, just, or proper; admit. See Synonyms at acknowledge.
2. To yield or grant (a privilege or right, for example).

That's just in case you thought 'concede' was a form of courtesy or etiquette.

But if you still have your panties in a bunch, I have no problem pulling them back over your head. If you want to continue, let's take it somewhere else.

Oh what? Didn't I already make the suggestion to you in my previous posts? Just in case you missed it because reading makes your head hurt:

Also, if you're still not satisfied about my responses, feel free to start a thread about what an arsehole I am in the Interstice.

Ball's in your court. If you want to continue, you could take it to the Interstice, and make a 'Best of Eldo' mixed tape. Everyone will be interested in it. But then again, if it starts to get boring aka pathetic on your part, then I probably won't pay attention to it. Again, you have to start the thread, since the ball's on your court. Just a warning though: I always win. I'd just rather this thread be about Berserk related discussion than the focus being on you and myself. This is me speaking as a moderator who has to moderate the threads, but as a poster; bring it on.

I personally wouldn't start a flame war with a forum moderator and on top of that an EG team member. But to each his own.

My position in EG and in this forums doesn't mean that he shouldn't start a flame war against me. It makes things interesting.

[Aetherfukz]

Must... resist... urge... to...

Ah, to hell with it...

Eldowned!

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To get the cut back to the topic - what I sometimes wondered: When Guts made out with Caska, after it she laid besides him saying, in the Hawks translation I think, "You know, you were my first one. But you are so rough.", and in the next frame Guts makes a kind of confused face.
In the german official mangas, which I recently aquired, Caska instead says: "Für dich war es also auch das erste mal?" ("So it was the first time for you too?"), and Guts makes that confused look again.

So, was it the first time for both of them, or just for Caska? Or is it not clearly defined if it was a first for Guts (not counting Donovan )?

[Rolos]

I think it was Gutts first time.
I mean, the manga follows his entire life, and almost every single important moment is "recorded". Getting laid is a very important step in any man s life, so Why would Miura skip that step?

Not because of censure, I mean.....Donovan ( )

[Aetherfukz]

You're probably right. Although we didn't see what Guts did between 11 it was I think, and 15 when he joined the Hawks (concidering the time and lifespan at the times it wouldn't be so unfathomable) and most of the time when he was that year away from the hawks. But your argument hold true what Miura probably would have showed it to us, and it's of course more romantic that way.

But damn, that man sure got some moves for a virgin.


And btw, that pictures reminded me that we need old Caska back again ASAP! (Edit: not the one I posted, the 2 page scans above. Baka!)

But what made me think about that in the first place was the discrepancies (sp??) when comparing the german official manga to the hawks/eg translation. I've read in an interview with the german translator that he of course translates from japanese rather than english, but what makes me wonder, why are all the "action words" that aren't in bubbles (like wooosh, grab, clink and so on) in english in the german manga, rather than german (or still japanese kanji), and why are there sometimes english words in it (like "thank you")? So when in doubt and the two contradict each other I normally side with the english translation I know.

[Istvan]

I think the comments at the end pretty conclusively show that it's Gut's first time. She comments about his hatred of being touched when he joined the Hawks, to which he replies, "If it's you, it's OK," and "Only your touch didn't offend me." The implication I get from that is he hadn't allowed any other woman to get so close to him before her. Which would make sense, considering his past and various issues.

Oh, you mean what you don't get you consider inane? That's OK, I'll type in less words and maybe type like an idiot to get to your level of understanding. I mean, considering that you didn't get a single point of my posts and decided to dodge my arguments by attempting to troll me.

I understand you point (and frustration) and everything, Eldo, but I certainly hope the fact that he understood my points doesn't mean I "type like an idiot." I certainly hope I don't.....

[Eldo]

I understand you point (and frustration) and everything, Eldo, but I certainly hope the fact that he understood my points doesn't mean I "type like an idiot." I certainly hope I don't.....

Hah, don't worry, you don't type like an idiot, Istvan. I don't think he understood your points anyway, but pretended to understand because he was 'trying to be cordial'.

And yes, I think it was Guts' first time too. Reason being is that he hated being touched, and suddenly went psychotic during sex. I think it's the first time he's had this psychotic episode, as even he seemed surprised by it. I don't think Guts spend much time outside the Hawks to sleep around, since he was surrounded by men and Casca was pretty much the only female there.

[The Prince]

Talk about inane grandstanding...

I don't care who you fuck with, or who you respect, but I personally wouldn't start a flame war with a forum moderator and on top of that an EG team member. But to each his own.

A serious discussion is one thing, a good thing. But flaming around after we point out contradictions in your so-called argumentation is another thing: childish.

So if you could care to step down your flaming throne once, and join us in an intelligent discussion, so be it. But if so still act all so high and mighty Mr. Unfailable, I don't recon you will make many friends in this forum.

...

Whoaa……settle down there Francis!

I know what you’re trying to do. Stop trying to turn this thing into something that it isn’t.

If you read through this discussion you'd know, I never intended to turn such a blah topic into an excuse to flame.

I don’t know what you’re so worked up over, as my beef’s not with you. And surely Eldo’s a big boy he can take care of himself.

You remind me of a little dog snapping at my heels. Normally I might not be concerned about stepping on one’s toes. But in your situation I’d need be concerned about stepping on your head.

You have provided nothing original to the argument, just your heart on your sleeve.

Please find somewhere else to score your brownie points.

.....Regarding Eldo, I have a pretty good idea of where to take this. But it is probably somewhere you don't want it to go.

[Eldo]

.....Regarding Eldo, I have a pretty good idea of where to take this. But it is probably somewhere you don't want it to go.

What? Where? To court? plz dont i havt paid me child suppor