Berserk Chapter: 271

[Istvan]

I think it was actually closer to "Alcohol cures wounds" or something, since it was after he killed a hundred men, and was horibly wounded.

[FightClub]

It's alcohol cures poison.

[Starnum]

It's alcohol cures poison.

That's no joke. When I was in grade school my step-father was bitten by a venomous snake, and when he got to the hospital the doctor asked him if he was an alcoholic. He confirmed the suspicion, and the doctor wasn't surprised. All they did was give him some pain medicine and the doctor told him there was probably a drunk snake out there somewhere. This man drank at least a fifth a day, and could drink rubbing alcohol, seriously. That's what you call having blood in your alcohol system.

[Brainpiercing]

So... the venom didn't work on your stepfather because he was an alcoholic? Sure interesting. Actually being an alcoholic should weaken the liver and hence increase the sensitivity to poison.

Well, whatever... I think I have to use a portion of that quote as a sig for a while.

[Istvan]

Ok, my bad. I went back and reread the section, and the exact quote by Guts was,"Didn't you know? Alcohol can cure poison." As to if this is true in the real world (or was only Guts joking) I have no idea, but I would tend to doubt that it really does cure poison.

[Gundam_Bobcat]

Well i guess if you drink enough, you'll either:

a) puke everything back up or
b) die from the alcohol instead.

I've tried using alcohol to cure sickness, and needless to say beer only makes it worse and hard liquors have a little effect on the condition.

Im in college what can i say.

[Quest]

alcohol is a disinfectant.
it kills microbes when applied to wounds.

however if you ingest a lot of it over long time then the thing you are killing is probably your liver.

[Pokes]

Just because Guts might be able to remain in control while using the armor doesn't mean he's not still incurring an incredible strain on his body. That's something shierke has no control over and in so I don't think that there isn't still a huge trade-off as some of you seem to think.

[Quest]

complete mastery of the berserker armour is like the epitome of being a super saiyan.
i think no one likes guts the all-powerful. we love guts because he is not.

[bugmenot]

What actually happens from significant alcohol consumption in the liver as it progresses towards cirrhosis is an increase in the number of ER (endoplasmic reticulum). Basically, the ER are organelles in the cell that are responsible for, among other things, filtering out things that the cell can't use or things that are actually dangerous to the cell. The liver actually sees alcohol as a poison, and consistent and substantial use of it causes the cells in the liver to develop more ER. (The increase in ER comes at the expense of other things, like mitochondria, effectively reducing the cells ability to metabolize).

Therefore, it sort of makes sense that an alcoholic would be more resistant to poison than a non-alcoholic, because their body developed to function in a basically high poison environment.

-- josh

[Istvan]

complete mastery of the berserker armour is like the epitome of being a super saiyan.
i think no one likes guts the all-powerful. we love guts because he is not.

I actually don't think that the armor makes him in any way "all-powerful". In the fight in the forest (when he first used it) his fight could still easily have gone either way if it hadn't gotten interupted, and Grunbeld isn't the most powerful of the Apostles. Furthermore, given the stress it puts on his body, it can only be used in the most extreme circumstances. So I don't feel it makes Guts too powerful.

[Sandman]

I would like to see Guts have more of an upper hand on his apponents, I mean who do you want to win Griffith or Guts... because if Guts dies Griffith wins and that would be a sucky way to end an awesome serise.

[Starnum]

So... the venom didn't work on your stepfather because he was an alcoholic? Sure interesting. Actually being an alcoholic should weaken the liver and hence increase the sensitivity to poison.

Yeah, crazy huh. I mean, he could've been lying to me, but I doubt it. *shrugs*

I don't think that there isn't still a huge trade-off as some of you seem to think.

That's a definite...who thought that using the armor didn't still have its price I wonder.

[Brainpiercing]

What actually happens from significant alcohol consumption in the liver as it progresses towards cirrhosis is an increase in the number of ER (endoplasmic reticulum). Basically, the ER are organelles in the cell that are responsible for, among other things, filtering out things that the cell can't use or things that are actually dangerous to the cell. The liver actually sees alcohol as a poison, and consistent and substantial use of it causes the cells in the liver to develop more ER. (The increase in ER comes at the expense of other things, like mitochondria, effectively reducing the cells ability to metabolize).

Therefore, it sort of makes sense that an alcoholic would be more resistant to poison than a non-alcoholic, because their body developed to function in a basically high poison environment.

-- josh

Ok, that seems to make sense.

[Libaax]

I would like to see Guts have more of an upper hand on his apponents, I mean who do you want to win Griffith or Guts... because if Guts dies Griffith wins and that would be a sucky way to end an awesome serise.

I want to see Guts going in with a strategy against his opponent like he use to. Now he only relies on the armour to keep the pain away and that is killing his body and giving him way more injuries than necesesary.

[Brainpiercing]

I would like to see Guts have more of an upper hand on his apponents, I mean who do you want to win Griffith or Guts... because if Guts dies Griffith wins and that would be a sucky way to end an awesome serise.

I want to see Guts going in with a strategy against his opponent like he use to. Now he only relies on the armour to keep the pain away and that is killing his body and giving him way more injuries than necesesary.

I think you're missing something there. His strategy didn't use to be more refined than it is now. He even used to make it a strategy to be totally beat up so he could do some wild final attack from up close. I think the armour changes nothing in his fighting style, it just enables him to kick more demon butt.

[Istvan]

Yeah, given what he often looked like after defeating an Apostle (especially the fairy one) I fail to see how you can think that he is, or will be, taking substantially more damage/wounds using the armor then not using it.

[Sandman]

IMO not getting the shit kicked out of you before you kill your enemy is a better way of fighting... but I did like it when ever once and a while Guts would be down and get back up at the last moment.

Then I remember the time when he first put on the armour and that apostle eat him, now that is the ultimate come back

Well anyway Guts was and is a bad ass and no armour is going to change that... now it just makes him more bad ass

[Gundam_Bobcat]

Well anyway Guts was and is a bad ass and no armour is going to change that... now it just makes him more bad ass Twisted Evil

Agreed, if he can continue this current form of the armor the fights are going to get even more interesting or they are going to end faster.

[Libaax]

I would like to see Guts have more of an upper hand on his apponents, I mean who do you want to win Griffith or Guts... because if Guts dies Griffith wins and that would be a sucky way to end an awesome serise.

I want to see Guts going in with a strategy against his opponent like he use to. Now he only relies on the armour to keep the pain away and that is killing his body and giving him way more injuries than necesesary.

I think you're missing something there. His strategy didn't use to be more refined than it is now. He even used to make it a strategy to be totally beat up so he could do some wild final attack from up close. I think the armour changes nothing in his fighting style, it just enables him to kick more demon butt.

Even those suicide strategies he had a better chance of coming out of it with injuries that dont kill you unlike now.

I just think the armour hasnt improved him greatly for him to just be narutolike and just charge mindlessly against his opponents.

You saw that when the witch woke him up in this fights,suddenly you could see the diffrence beteween Guts in the armour berserker mode and the usuall Guts.

[Brainpiercing]

Well, yes, I'll grant you that previously getting beat up had a strategy behind it, while with the berserker armour it was the pure consequence of getting his ass kicked.
However, now that he can possibly use the armour while fully himself, he will just be a new, stronger version of his old self.

[Libaax]

I hope he stays like this after this fight.

That he can fight with the armour while being himself. Is not like he needs to be fueled by the armour to go Berserk.

[Sandman]

We will see, we will see....

Sidenote: Does anyone know when Guts first went "Berserk" if you want to count the barrel he smashed that is the time but I think that it was actually rescuing Griffith from the tower of Rebirth

[Istvan]

Guts does seem to be moving towards better control of the armor. Slowly, I'll grant you, but it wouldn't be very realistic for him to just suddenly wake up and have perfect control of it, or master it all at once. Eventually he'll have a fair amount of control over it, and then his fights will be even cooler (especially given that the way it's shaping up I expect more fights against multiple Apostles).

Sidenote: Does anyone know when Guts first went "Berserk" if you want to count the barrel he smashed that is the time but I think that it was actually rescuing Griffith from the tower of Rebirth

Yeah, the tower was the first time, probably because it was the first time that he'd seen something he cared about (i.e. Griffith) damaged/destroyed.

[Sandman]

Thats what I figured but thanks for the confirmation

Top Ten Favorite berserk moments (in no order)

Guts killing Wylde

Griffith in Pain

Farnase almost getting mounted

Guts killing his first apsotle (the pig guy after the Eclipes)

Guts Wearing the Berserk Armour for the first time

Isidro Saving Mule

Trolls bursting from womens abdomin

The end of the eclipse (Femto trying to kill SK)

Guts doing some Berserk on Apostle Action with an explosive ending



Guts killing those two semi apostles angels in one attack