Newbie Berserk Discussion Thread

Post by **Skullkracker** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:41 pm

stupid

I bet this little adventure will turn out completely different from what we can ever expect

Post by **EnglishJim** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:46 pm

Skullkracker wrote:
EnglishJim wrote:If she was to die in the coming chapters, what would he do then?
Grow a penis and buy some bitches

That's what he should do, but he'd prolly put on a dress and assume the role of Schierke's nanny.

Post by **MrFelony** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:47 pm

why would casca want to be with Guts? all he is, is a reminder of her rape. could you be with someone when all they reminded you of was your rape and the shame you felt as they powerlessly watched you get raped? no way she stays with him if she is healed.

and how will Guts take her not wanting to stay with them? however a lot depends on what she remembers from her "retardom" as well i guess.

Post by **EnglishJim** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:27 pm

I think the eventual outcome will be that Caska stays. Just think of all the shit Guts has had to go through for her. Without him Caska wouldn't even be alive so she should learn a little appreciation.

Post by **MrFelony** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 11:13 pm

shouldnt guts have had some appreciation for all the shit griffith went through to see he stayed alive? however, guts didnt stay.

since you're new you dont necessarily know that I believe pre-eclipse Griffith and post Eclipse Guts are on different spirals of the same path so that they are both destined to similar fates. I'm just waitin for shit to hit the fan and for guts to go apeshit

Post by **EnglishJim** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 11:44 pm

MrFelony wrote:shouldnt guts have had some appreciation for all the shit griffith went through to see he stayed alive? however, guts didnt stay.

The situation here is different. I think Guts did show appreciation. The whole reason he left the Hawks in the first place is because he wanted to be Griffith's equal. When he heard Griffith speak to Charlotte about how his crew members were not his friends, that a man must a dream of his own, Guts appreciated him enough to try and earn his friendship instead of just being Griffith's soldier. That's just my opinion, of course.

Post by **Malvado** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 11:58 pm

Guts couldn't pay rent and wanted to dodge child support. That is why he left.

Post by **Istvan** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 12:33 am

MrFelony wrote:
shouldnt guts have had some appreciation for all the shit griffith went through to see he stayed alive? however, guts didnt stay.

The situation here is different. I think Guts did show appreciation. The whole reason he left the Hawks in the first place is because he wanted to be Griffith's equal. When he heard Griffith speak to Charlotte about how his crew members were not his friends, that a man must a dream of his own, Guts appreciated him enough to try and earn his friendship instead of just being Griffith's soldier. That's just my opinion, of course.

Exactly. Guts left because he cared for Griffith, and he wanted to be his friend. He wasn't willing to accept being just a subordinate. Since he'd never had any friends before, he took Griffith's word for how freinds should act, and tried to meet that ideal. The situation with him and Caska is completely different. I think you're trying too hard to find parallels, to the point were you're inventing them to make it fit your notions of how it should be.

Post by **Libaax** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 1:19 am

If Casca becomes like her old self and can handle the memory of everything that happened to her, i dont see why she would blame Guts.

Its not him that did everything horrible that happened.

He wouldnt let her stay with him even if she wanted to.

I mean his goal isnt to go and dissapear with Casca and happilly ever after

Post by **MrFelony** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 1:40 am

Libaax wrote:I mean his goal isnt to go and dissapear with Casca and happilly ever after

isnt it though? I remember him saying that he would never leave her again...though he does realise that with the god hand out there he may never be able to live in peace.

EnglishJim wrote:I think the eventual outcome will be that Caska stays. Just think of all the shit Guts has had to go through for her. Without him Caska wouldn't even be alive so she should learn a little appreciation.

I was merely giving English an example of why his logic didnt make sense. sure guts put all that effort in, but its no reason for her to stay, just as all the effort Griffith put into attaining and keeping guts wasnt a reason enough for him to stay in the end.

and as for Casca/Guts scenario, it IS different, but its also similar. there is the idea in Berserk that time travels in a spiral, not a mirror. History repeats itself, but not in exactly the same situations.

If casca could handle the memory in the first place she wouldnt have gone all retarded. Also, you never know how people will end up thinking, i agree that i dont think she would blame guts, but i can definitely see how she might twist it so she does. while guts didnt do what griffith did, she could blame him for leaving in the first place, since that caused the whole thing in a way.

and honestly, if you were raped in front of your loved one by a mutual friend, how would that affect your relationship? I remember hearing of cases where a mother went ahead and had a child that was the result of a rape and secretly resenting the child for the rest of their life because the child, in a twisted way, represented a terrible memory. If you were raped by someone you loved deeply (who also just killed a bunch of your friends but we'll ignore that part), infront of someone else you loved deeply as well, what would you be reminded of whenever you saw that person?

I'm not saying she couldn't get over it, but during the first few months, if not years, I doubt she could look at guts without feeling pain, or let herself be a reminder to Guts of all that's happened.

I'll edit this later, dinner time

Post by **Libaax** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:59 am

He wont leave her like this thats for sure but its also a given that he knows he cant protect her while Griffith and his kind walk around freely.

Its not about only revenge now, he know Casca cant leave in peace in her current state or her old state if he doesnt finish off Griffith.

Maybe he will leave her somewhere they find her or touch her.

Post by **Malvado** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:49 am

She'll blame Guts just because if he hadn't left the army then Griffith wouldn't have tried so fast on that rich girl. And if that didn't happen he would never been sexually assaulted by a torture guard causing him to say fuck you to everyone and take the easy way out(have sex with hot demon chicks).

That and Guts won't pay child support.

Post by **Skullkracker** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:03 am

theory time:

SK told Guts once Casca is healed, she may not want what he wants.
This may mean that Guts would probably want her safe somwhere far from the hell in Middle Earth...I mean Midland, but she might wanna tag along and get her part of revenge

Post by **MrFelony** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:43 am

there are a ton of things she could want, such as to be with griffith

. Guts would DEFINITELY not want that lol

Post by **Skullkracker** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:29 am

so...how about you just take my hand son and follow me to the stupid theories thread huh?

Post by **Libaax** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 1:08 pm

Haha good one skull

Post by **EnglishJim** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 2:40 pm

MrFelony wrote:I was merely giving English an example of why his logic didnt make sense. sure guts put all that effort in, but its no reason for her to stay, just as all the effort Griffith put into attaining and keeping guts wasnt a reason enough for him to stay in the end.

What Caska has to come to terms with is the fact that she was raped, not that Guts was there while it happened. Sure it'll hurt their relationship, but Guts did everything in his power and more to try and save her. He continues to do that and the very reason they're travelling to Elfhelm is for Caska. My point was that Guts' proved himself to Caska countless times and hopefully she'll realise that when she returns.

Maybe she will leave; Skull Knight did say she may not want what Guts does. Although it'd be cold-hearted if she turned her back on him now. If she blames Guts and can't trust him, then who can she trust?

BTW, I was a bit late responding to this. While you're having dinner it's the early hours over here.

Post by **Libaax** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:48 pm

If she becomes as she was before when she had feelings for Guts, i think she will like him him even more knowing everything he has done for her.

Post by **Deathbringer** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:50 pm

Libaax wrote:If she becomes as she was before when she had feelings for Guts, i think she will like him him even more knowing everything he has done for her.

/Agree

Personally, SK was just fucking with Guts when he said that, he likes to show him the right path but always says that shit can happen.

Post by **MrFelony** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:07 pm

you guys dont seem to be taking this who monster fuck rape thing that serious. "oh she'll be fiiine." couple of things, Casca already left guts before the eclipse, and guts really did prove himself when he tried to rape her/rip her apart

, though he managed to break outta it. yes he has been through a lot for her.

and I'm not saying that casca wont necessarily stay with guts, shit vegas would probably put better odds on that than ehr leaving. I'm just putting my money on her not staying with Guts for some reason. I can feel it in my...guts ZING! I just wish miura would ge ta move on so i can finally put this theory to rest lol

ps: its just stupid to think SK was just fucking with guts. why would miura put it in there if it didnt mean anything? sure...Zodd was just fucking around with Guts when he told him Griffith was going to kill all his friends

Post by **Gattsblackfalcon** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:26 pm

Well it could be that way Felony , but hell what reason would make Caska stay away from Gatts after her memory recovery? I hope that shit don't happen.

Post by **MrFelony** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:36 pm

oh i dont know, the fact that they will remind each other of the eclipse? sure Guts has sorta gotten over it, but casca hasnt had the 2 years or so to deal with her pain. I mean, everytime she looks at him, she'll just be reminded of her rape. I think she'll AT LEAST need some time to recover on her own, sort of like how guts needed time to himself to rage after the eclipse.

what would happen if one day you suddenly woke up with the memory that your best friend tried to sacrifice you and raped your infront of your loved one/spouse. would you be like "oh it doesnt bother me that much" or would you need time to recover on your own? It might just be me, cause in this situation, i dont think i could stand looking at guts for the first week AT LEAST without being reminded of the last thing i remember before i went spastic, him staring at me while i got raped by the person i loved arguably the most (she chose him in the end after all). thats some shit i wouldnt want to deal with.

and remember casca may be a strong woman, but she already has shown she couldnt handle the trauma in the first place, and she already once made the decision to leave guts (for griffith no less;)) so its not like she'll follow him to the ends of the earth.

Libaax wrote:If she becomes as she was before when she had feelings for Guts, i think she will like him him even more knowing everything he has done for her.

I think she'll appreciate it, but i dont think it'll sway her in her decision. also it's impossible to go back to how she was before the eclipse unless her memory of the thing never existed.

Post by **dronedevil** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:37 pm

dont forget caska could also be dealing with postpartum depression since she did have an extremely early delivery

Post by **EnglishJim** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:42 pm

Yes, Guts has gotten crazy on Caska from time to time, but the good he's done for her outweighs the bad by a large margin. Wherever she goes and whatever she does she'll have to confront her memory of the eclipse. Wouldn't it be better to remain and get help from somebody who has been through the exact same experience?

If and when Caska comes to, she may need time to herself. Well that's fine with me, cause Guts can get back to his mission while she does that. However, after all the initial emotional stress, what (good) reason would Caska have to leave Guts? I don't think there is one.

MrFelony wrote:and remember casca may be a strong woman, but she already has shown she couldnt handle the trauma in the first place, and she already once made the decision to leave guts (for griffith no less;)) so its not like she'll follow him to the ends of the earth.

You never know, Femto's vile semen may have corrupted her mind as well as her child. We'll just have to wait and see what the Elf King can do for her.

Post by **Libaax** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:54 pm

Its like Mrfelony has something against Casca being with Guts, maybe he is a closet Griffith+Casca fan

I said IF IF she becomes her old self, there is no way she will blame Guts for everything. If even she cant handle what her old friend did to her, dont see why she would take out on Guts.

Also it doesnt really matter what she does, Guts wants to get rid of her anyway he cant fight apostles carrying her around.

Even if she says she dont wanna ever see him again, he would take it pretty well for now atleast until he is done with his mission, the big one.