Newbie Berserk Discussion Thread

[Istvan]

A few of the rape scenes, and a few of the blood scenes (it shouldn't be hard to find some of either), to give him a fair indication.

[Nekomimi]

And then what will he think about me xD
His all good school girl sister reading that o.O

(He never even watches porn if im around, though, that's pointless, I still know he has that stuff there -.-)

Nah, he never reads, so let's leave this topic xD

[Aolsier]

New here, and a huge Berserk fan!!! I'm glad you guys started scanlating the newest of the berserk chpts cause its hard to find alot of people on the internet who actually do them, but your translations are great and keep up the good work

[Hawk of Darkness]

Was up guys HUGE fan of berserk, and I am loving ur scanlations the best on the web, better than the hawks IMO, anyways keep up the good work, I cant wait for chapter 283 on the 23rd, I'll be waiting and another thing whoever does the coloring for some of the manga pages, my prop's go out to you, great stuff.

[Libaax]

Welcome Hawk

[BaNaN]

Omg here Iam sitting lazy like always by computer.. When all of a sudden something strikes my eyes, Its so unbelivable i almost start to weep!

A little announcement for everyone in Sweden!

BERSERK is coming on ZTV starting at wednesday ~22.30 week 9!!!
Also Naruto has started to air at ZTV 23.00 monday-thursdays~~

THIS ROCKS YAAAY

EG FTW! Thanks for the chapters guys! Love y'all

[GriffithIsMoe]

Guts is the manliest of men.

[MrFelony]

did you have anything of value to add?

[Libaax]

Omg here Iam sitting lazy like always by computer.. When all of a sudden something strikes my eyes, Its so unbelivable i almost start to weep!

A little announcement for everyone in Sweden!

BERSERK is coming on ZTV starting at wednesday ~22.30 week 9!!!
Also Naruto has started to air at ZTV 23.00 monday-thursdays~~

THIS ROCKS YAAAY

EG FTW! Thanks for the chapters guys! Love y'all

I would watch if i still had Ztv but i dont and dont care much for the anime.


Knowing its a lame copy.

[Istvan]

Guts is the manliest of men.

OK, the degree to which you are spamming (and the number of threads) is starting to get really annoying. You could stop any time now.

[fuzzyzombielove]

I don't know if this has been brought-up or not, but I get the feeling Kentaro Miura was greatly influenced by the surrealist H.R. Giger.

(There. I said something smart-ish for my first post.)

[LordMune]

Omg here Iam sitting lazy like always by computer.. When all of a sudden something strikes my eyes, Its so unbelivable i almost start to weep!

A little announcement for everyone in Sweden!

BERSERK is coming on ZTV starting at wednesday ~22.30 week 9!!!
Also Naruto has started to air at ZTV 23.00 monday-thursdays~~

THIS ROCKS YAAAY

EG FTW! Thanks for the chapters guys! Love y'all

I would watch if i still had Ztv but i dont and dont care much for the anime.


Knowing its a lame copy.

Fuck ZTV.

[Aerion]

I don't know if this has been brought-up or not, but I get the feeling Kentaro Miura was greatly influenced by the surrealist H.R. Giger.

(There. I said something smart-ish for my first post.)

oO im not a smartie but i looked him up at wikipedia...
some of his sculptures remind me of apostles...

[Gemino]

Its evident that he was influenced by HellRaiser also.

[Libaax]

Hellraiser? those uber b-movies?

[Gemino]

Stop hating man. You know the first one was decent.

Conrad = Cenobite
Ubik = Cenobite
Void = Pin Head

Behelit = Puzzle Box

[fuzzyzombielove]

Here's a link to some of the more noted works of Giger's Necronomicon.Bare in mind that these are NOT SAFE FOR WORK! So cover the younglin's eyes!

Note that these also contain some of the images that later inspired Giger's ground breaking monster designs in Alien and Alien II.

[Matthex]

Hi there, I've been wondering about the God Hand's psychology, and some of their more unusual actions, so here it is, pray forgive any redundancy with what has been already discussed.

Why doesn't Griffith go out of his way to get rid of Guts? At first thought, one would think it is overconfidence, but that is quite un-Griffith-like; he is as close to perfect as can be. The possibility I've been pondering is rather that Guts, and all the people who have escaped their destiny, are to some extent 'invisible' to the God Hand, and the Idea itself. Though the God Hand can see Guts in the present moment if he is in front of one of them, by all means he is dead to them. If we suppose that the God Hand can 'see' the destinies decided by the Idea, then if they were to try to use this sense on Guts, they would be under the impression that he is dead. Something similar, but to a lesser extent, would happen to magicians who have more or less freed themselves from the Idea (i.e. the witches), and to an even lesser extent to people whose destiny has been changed by a struggler.
This might explain the behavior towards Guts of all the beings related to the Idea: everything from evil spirits to Apostles is somehow unnerved by the sole fact of his existence. My theory is that, linked as those are to the Idea, at a subconscious level there would be a conflict between their perception of a struggler not conforming to his fate, and a deep feeling that he should follow it. They would then feel the impulse to interact with the struggler so as to make him agree with their destiny - in Guts' case, kill him. Perhaps they feel a struggler's going against his destiny as some kind of pain, a sore in an otherwise perfect and harmonious world. The God Hand, however, seem unable somehow to factor strugglers in their plans. When they stumble upon a struggler, they follow their psychology in their interaction with him, but when the fact of the struggler not following his destiny is not explicitly before them, they seem to be treat him as they would any other human being. Thus, if the God Hand were to perceive an immediate menace from a branded one, they would defend themselves. However, were the branded one to successfully escape the encounter, the God Hand would not take into account the possibility of him becoming a menace again at a later time, though what is left of their personality might urge them to hunt him down for revenge, bloodlust, etc... For example, the God Hand took action against SK only when they perceived him to be a menace during the Eclipse: Void apparently didn't want to be stabbed, and Femto maybe thought SK was charging him?

Another mystery I'd like to discuss is Slan's encounter with Guts in Qliphoth, in the light of my hypothesis above.
First, how did she become aware of his presence? I believe that the troll's abode was 'deep' enough that Guts' anger, and the trolls' pain and fear, could be felt by Slan, who either was wandering closer to reality than the others at that moment and thus the only one who could feel Guts, or was the only one interested. Why does she try to make him use the Beherit? Since the only tie Guts can ever hope of having with the Idea, is becoming an inconsequential element of the hurricane of souls, I believe she lies when she implies he could become an Apostle/God Hand/whatever. Considering that the God Hand cannot freely approach reality, and at the very least have their powers diminished (I'd liken it to there only being a 'part' of Slan that could reach Qliphoth, the rest being perhaps 'anchored' to the Idea), I think Slan wanted to have him come to her, using the Beherit, since she could not come to him. Perhaps she wanted him as a plaything, being impressed by his performance twice, but we do not know enough about her to easily guess how she thinks. At least I prefer to explain her behavior by a fluke of her personality, not by an actual desire to stop him in case he could thwart the Idea's plans, otherwise her and the other God Hand's behavior would be different.

Discussing the movement of the Idea's agents brings us to a mystery concerning the God Hand's reincarnation. During an Apostle's or God's finger (quite an anticlimactic term...) birth, it is always something from reality that moves closer to the Idea. During the incident at Albion, however, the giant hand and 'shadows' of the God Hand appear, as if the spiritual realm, being transformed, forced it's imprint on the physical, as if the spiritual realm had shifted closer to the physical during that night, giving Femto passage into the physical world. It might be that Guts and Casca had been lured towards Albion so that the presence of two people living at the Interstice might help the procedure. That would explain why the baby helped them get there and remain alive during the ritual: they were convenient tools to help Griffith come back. So, even though Guts and Casca are free from the laws of causality as long as they are alive, if I am right those subject to the laws can influence those beyond, to further the Idea's goals. I guess that might mean the Idea has a certain awareness of something not being the way it should, but I can't wrap my head around the paradox of the Idea needing surviving branded ones to execute the resurrection ceremony...

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Sorry for the size of the post ^^'

[MrFelony]

ummm welcome...i'll get around to reading that eventually: i promise .

as for the whole griffith getting rid fo guts thing. Guts poses no serious threat to griffith. and if he killed him off early on, Guts wouldnt have teamed up with Zodd.

[Istvan]

Why doesn't Griffith go out of his way to get rid of Guts? At first thought, one would think it is overconfidence, but that is quite un-Griffith-like; he is as close to perfect as can be. The possibility I've been pondering is rather that Guts, and all the people who have escaped their destiny, are to some extent 'invisible' to the God Hand, and the Idea itself.

Sorry, this explanation doesn't work. Go reread the conversation with Slann you mention below, the events right before Griffith's resurection and what the God's Hand say to the Slug Count near the beginning. Slann mentions to Guts that she has been watching him all this time, and talks about the deeds she found particularly interesting. During the inquisition arc, we several times saw an eye (which I'm pretty sure belonged to Griffith) floating and watching the events unfolding. So I'm confident that the God's Hand can watch him, if they want to. As to why Griffith doesn't bother with him, I think his reasons are explained in that conversation with the Slug Count. Guts is simply no threat at all to him or his plan as he is right now. He's like a bug, which Griffith will squash if he gets underfoot, but is hardly going to take a step off his path to crush (all of this is, of course, how Griffith sees it, not necessarily how much of a threat Guts actually is/willl be). Another possibility is that since Griffith got reincarnated in the body of Guts son, it is implied that he started having feelings for Guts again (he blaims it on the child). It's possible that these feelings are somehow influencing him. Finally, it could be that Griffith thinks Guts can be useful to him, as during the Kushan invasion of the city.

Another mystery I'd like to discuss is Slan's encounter with Guts in Qliphoth, in the light of my hypothesis above.

Why does she try to make him use the Beherit?

I think you underestimate her atraction to him and her sincerity. First, she finds him fascinating, and so watches (and when possible speaks) to him simply for that reason. There aren't many like him, so she is interested in him, like a child with an interesting toy. As for the offer, I'm pretty sure that she knew perfectly well he'd turn it down. She was just tormenting him, reminding him of Grifith and playing with him like a boy with a bug.

Discussing the movement of the Idea's agents brings us to a mystery concerning the God Hand's reincarnation. During an Apostle's or God's finger (quite an anticlimactic term...) birth, it is always something from reality that moves closer to the Idea. During the incident at Albion, however, the giant hand and 'shadows' of the God Hand appear, as if the spiritual realm, being transformed, forced it's imprint on the physical, as if the spiritual realm had shifted closer to the physical during that night, giving Femto passage into the physical world. It might be that Guts and Casca had been lured towards Albion so that the presence of two people living at the Interstice might help the procedure. That would explain why the baby helped them get there and remain alive during the ritual: they were convenient tools to help Griffith come back. So, even though Guts and Casca are free from the laws of causality as long as they are alive, if I am right those subject to the laws can influence those beyond, to further the Idea's goals. I guess that might mean the Idea has a certain awareness of something not being the way it should, but I can't wrap my head around the paradox of the Idea needing surviving branded ones to execute the resurrection ceremony...

This is indeed one of the more interesting events of Berserk for that reason. Some people use that event to argue that Guts and Caska are not, in fact, outside of fate and that they were always supposed to survive so that they could help Griffith resurect. Others (and I'm one of them) think that although they are outside of fate now, Idea probably still has some ability to influence them (through other people) and so decided to make use of the fact that they had survived. Idea had some other way for Griffith to resurect, but decided to use them (and maybe attempt to kill them in the process, who knows?) since they were about, and that might have been an easier/faster method then whatever it had planned. Feel free to believe whichever of these you like, or even something different, but those are two of the big theories that I know of.

[dronedevil]

what I want to know is I thought griffith was the dark hawk not gutts but somehow holy see connect gutts to being the evil one?

Wouldnt they have known that gutts was in multiple mercenary groups way before hawks spottedd him?

[Istvan]

Why would they know that about Guts? It's not as if the middle ages was famed for the complete accuracy of their record keeping. They just know Guts as the Black Swordsmen, who's apparently a mass murderer, since he goes around killing lords (amoung others, but they're the important ones). They don't even connect Guts with the Hawks, frankly, since neither Farnese nor Serpico knew he was a former member of the Hawks when they started talking about the Hawks as they entered the city. They thought he might be the Black Hawk simply by his actions.

[MrFelony]

that and he was caught in a burning barn with dozens of dead children

[Istvan]

Yeah, but that was after they were already after him. Mind, it did pretty much confirm his guilt and evilness in their mind.

[Khelegond]

I think what really confirmed his wickedness (is that even a word?) was when they found the corpses of the guys who were defending the moth-apostle, Jill. (that was her name, wasn't it?) Of course, nobody asked themselves what the heck they were doing naked, but whatever