Berserk Chapter: 281

Post by **Grahf** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:13 pm

Turd Ferguson wrote: However, I retract my earlier statement about the lancers dropping in from above on flying demon horses.

I was just liking the idea of flying demon horses actually. lol

Post by **Istvan** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 12:21 am

Thanks EG! This is an awesome thing to find.

I was just liking the idea of flying demon horses actually. lol

Nah, it might freak out his regular troops too much.

Post by **Lord Rae** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:54 am

If you check out page 11...the main panel on the page... 3rd from the top and the biggest one on the page you can see the lancers on the sides of the troops before they begin to line up in front.

Post by **Istvan** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 11:44 pm

Good catch, Lord Rae, I'd missed that. It seemed clear they must have come in from the sides, but I didn't notice them there. Well spotted.

Post by **Gemino** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:14 pm

Thanks fellas and pefect timing. We haven't had a clear demonstration of Griffith's God Hand Powers yet (except for the arrow evade shortly after the eclipse). I'm sure it will come thru in the near future.

Post by **donny** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 6:31 pm

yes nice to have more berserk...
and nice to see new mosnters, especially seing zodd is always good with an axe that really looks that could handle the outputs of power that zodd releases...

but on the other hand I am hoping that they will speed up the pace of the events... I mean we had an enourmous pause and now two chapters in which half of the pages was just troups marching. over two pages. not much of a development. actually none development. we all knew that griffith is there and that he'll jump in.
I think we need more battle of giants thing - like somebody said see griffith against the kushan emperror and such.

hope you won't hang me for the critics...

Post by **42ndEndOfTheWorld** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:29 pm

donny wrote:

hope you won't hang me for the critics...

no, on the contrary I think that you hit the nail here. It's about time for Miura to show us some genuine plot development. We have had little genuine overall progress ever since SkullKnight informed Guts about Elfhiem (or however you spell it). Yes Guts-Serpico battle, firewheels, Guts-Zod combo were all impressive, but story-wise we are pretty much exactly where we were several volumes ago.

Post by **Sandman** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:51 pm

I hear what you are saying and I agree that there needs to be some more plot development but be thankful you are getting any berserk at all I know I am. I will take anything berserk right now even if its just battle sequence with no word for four or more chapters I would still read (well analyze it) and enjoy it.

Post by **Gemino** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:17 pm

I hear you.. I'm a Berserk Crackhead even if it isn't Pure Main.. I'm still gonna smoke..

Post by **MrFelony** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:57 pm

42ndEndOfTheWorld wrote:
donny wrote:

hope you won't hang me for the critics...

no, on the contrary I think that you hit the nail here. It's about time for Miura to show us some genuine plot development. We have had little genuine overall progress ever since SkullKnight informed Guts about Elfhiem (or however you spell it). Yes Guts-Serpico battle, firewheels, Guts-Zod combo were all impressive, but story-wise we are pretty much exactly where we were several volumes ago.

umm i think you missed all the chapters that came out since then.

If you paid attention, Guts lost farnese and had to fight (serpico) to get her back (thats a big sign to me since its like Griffith), Guts and Shierke were able to control the berserker armor when they united, Guts WORKED with zodd to hurt the emperor, Guts told the emperor no, Guts and Co. found a boat (or are at least almost there i forget which), Guts made an appearance in front of all of the court. the pope was made an apostle or something, shit the list goes on and on. you mentioned some of these, and i guess i agree in story progession it's been slow, but in plot development it's been quite eventful

Post by **Sandman** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:31 pm

I don't remember the Pope becoming an apostle

Where was that?

Post by **Istvan** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:48 pm

We didn't see him become an Apostle, and I'm kind of doubtful that he did. What did happen is that after a (Femto inspired) dream, the Pope went off with Mule and the psychic girl (I forget her name) to join Griffith. Obviously, he's going to bless Griffith's cause, giving him the mantel of devine favor.

Post by **Grahf** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:56 pm

Yeah the major plot really hasn't moved much. But Mr.F says there were many tasty little developments and situations along the way.

I can't wait till it comes time for Gats to reveal his past to his companions.

Post by **Oro** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:55 am

LOL,thank you for such great work on berserk.

Post by **Brainpiercing** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:29 am

Story-wise there IS a great development, because we finally see Griffith come closer to what he wanted all the time. This is an important part of the Berserk story, it could not be omitted.

However, I also want him to go back to Guts, or at least, show some dialogue from Griffith and people around him.

Post by **EnglishJim** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:43 pm

Well, for almost two volumes now (maybe more) it's been non-stop action, so the characters haven't really had a chance to properly interact. I also heard that in this YA, Miura said that all he did during those 4 months was draw soldiers, so this particular battle could be a long one.

Post by **Gemino** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:07 pm

Aren't we about due for another Patented Berserk Rape scene. HAHA. How about that for some Plot development.

I can't see this battle lasting too long with the way the NEO-Hawks are demolishing the human troops. The Daka should be called Dodos. I think the emperor knows that he needs a strong ally to stand a chance. Which is why he asked GUTS to join him at their previous engagement.

Post by **Khelegond** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:11 pm

I don't think the battle lenght is the most important thing. I really can't wait to see how people will react to Griffith

The end of the battle will be priceless.

Post by **Grahf** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:53 pm

Khelegond wrote:I don't think the battle lenght is the most important thing. I really can't wait to see how people will react to Griffith
The end of the battle will be priceless.

Thats the weird thing. After the battle ends do you think that the story will stay with Griff? or would it go off to Gats? Another thing I keep forgetting to bring up Griff has to know exactly where Gats is going right now. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if he knows why he is going either.

Perhaps he gets his own Country and then goes to meet up with Gats. Then gets (the repaired) Caska to come along fresh off his triumph and realization of his dream.

Post by **Gemino** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:03 pm

Besides Griffith flexing his Femto Muscles I would like to see more of Rakshas power. I find this dude mysterious and intriguing like the ninjas from G.I. Joe back in the day. His cutting off Griffiths heads dream might lead to his downfall.

After the battle the story will most likely go back to GUTS' journey. Griffith and the apostles will have some down time after the victory, so they will prob go out and devour some children and play spades somethin along those lines.

And I concur that GR will prob get bored and stop through to visit Caska and GUTTS since the vessel that he occupies long for his parents.

Post by **Gattsblackfalcon** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:16 pm

To me was just great to see the Neo Hawks fighting, never thought Griffith would use the apostles too, but he did, seeing Grunbeld and Zodd fighting is just awesome.There is a big story development going there, first Griffith is trying for the first time to defeat the Kushans ( just like the hero he wants to be ) , second after seeing that Griffith went with all the mighty Neo Hawks army to that battle makes me think that he is gonna show some of his real power ( at least when he is gonna fight the Emperor ) or at least is what I hope to see in the upcoming chapters.

EG rocks!

Post by **Istvan** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:45 pm

Despite the complaints about it being nothing but action, these last two chapters of "action" are crucial to the plot, it wouldn't work without it. Griffith and the Emperor needed to have a huge showdown here in order for Griffith's dream to advance. Especially in this manga, a lot of times plot development is action sequences, the two don't really have to be seperated.

Post by **Grahf** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:21 am

But does Griffith's dream end with getting himself a kingdom now? That dream was made by a man. Now that his powers is godlike what happens now?

I'm still worried about the other godhand members not being around.

Post by **Eldo** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:40 am

I think we'll still a bit off with Griffith being king and all. He doesn't suddenly become elected King after the battle is over. He's going to use the princess like a puppet until he gets what he wants, but that won't happen immediately, it's a gradual process, and right now, anything can happen.

I'm interested in the aftermath of the battle as well. I wonder what politics Griffith will spin, especially when it seems all the cards are in his favour.

Post by **Azrael** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 5:02 am

Woo, I'm so glad to have Berserk back.
EG, keep em coming. You guys are awesome.

This battle's outcome and repercussions are gonna be interesting, because it's pretty much certain that Windham is gonna support Griffith after saving their asses...