Newbie Berserk Discussion Thread

Post by **Starnum** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:06 am

Yeah, I think Flora may have cast a spell to keep SK alive after being ripped to shreds by the armor, or something. I’m pretty sure it was Puck who mentioned the elf king, I know he was the one who brought up Elfheim. I seriously doubt SK is the king of the elves though.

Post by **Quest** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 8:09 am

of course its improbable that SK is the current elf king.
what is probable is that there is something elven about him. i dont think its elven in a "flora enchanted SK with elven magic" kind of way. because then puck would have voiced it out already when puck met flora.

Post by **Jon Maitreya** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 10:14 am

It was SK that mentioned the Elf King. Puck mentioned Elfheim right at the start of the Millennium Falcon arc, but when they questioned him on the King (after SK brought it up) it didn't look like he knew much about him. I wonder when the last time was Puck actually went home...

That being said, I doubt SK is the Elf King. But then I also doubt that he is actually Gaiseric, I just tihnk its way too obvious, rofl. I'm more inclined to think Gaiseric might be Void, and SK may be a relative or close friend who was sacrificed. (E.g. Gaiseric sacrifices his Kingdom (and everyone in it) to become a Godhand). Of course Gaiseric could also have been a Godhand Incarnated like Griffith (which is probably more likely). Oh well, Miura knows.

Post by **Skullkracker** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 10:28 am

Starnum wrote:Yeah, I think Flora may have cast a spell to keep SK alive after being ripped to shreds by the armor, or something. I’m pretty sure it was Puck who mentioned the elf king, I know he was the one who brought up Elfheim. I seriously doubt SK is the king of the elves though.

of course he isn't, silly, you are!

Post by **Starnum** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 10:04 pm

Score! You get cool points Skullkracker.

Post by **Orthanos** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:48 am

This might be a little late to mention but, looking at the size of the SK vs Puck and other natural elves.

How could SK be the king of elves not to mention that he is...well technically a dead guy riding a dead horse.

Where elves are seemingly care free and happy go lucky.
SK wore the berserker armor as well so at some point he was human.

the SK having a fairy sent, He is a "closely bound fate with flora". I mean as long as Gatts been with Puck which is like 2 or three years, whould Puck's smell wear onto Gatts??

The only human size elf thing would be that one apostile that used to be Jills friend back around v15.

The real question as to pertaining Elf Helm is; Why did Puck really run away form his home town. Just for laughs lets say that Puck has a issue with his father "the king". lol i mean the sound of it is funny. PRINCE PUCK.

Puck Forgot he had a home, when he remembered he had a home he probly didnt know where it was and it was Shreike that told the group where it was and she know form Flora. Puck forgot his own history and said that he was bored in Elf Helm and that was why he ran away. It sounds like an excuse When you look at pucks personality and listen to his descriptions of his old home. It doesnt make sense why Pucks Paradise was indeed his own Boring hell, and since Puck is a spiritual creature he could have true natural everlasting life. Knowing that SK is approxamately 1 thoughsand yrs old, who is to say that puck wasnt around then too??

SK only hit a few brain cells in Puck's head.

Post by **TheDrizzit** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 9:11 am

I was watching the anime just now and it got the part where Guts noticed the behelit around Griffith's neck. So when Griffith tells Guts all about the Behelit, doesn't it sound like he knows a bit to much? He even said that everyone is willing to die for him and his dream; he will choose where Guts will die for him and he knew everything about the behelit just that he didn't know how it worked. But maybe (I'm thinking) he didn't get it from a old lady merchant and he knows all about it. I haven't read the manga in a while so I don't know if it's the same speech. But damn if it doesn't sound like Griffith knows more about the behelit at that time than I thought.

Oh and sorry if I interrupted any discussion but I didn't want to make a new thread. ^_^

Post by **Jon Maitreya** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 6:12 pm

TheDrizzit wrote:I was watching the anime just now and it got the part where Guts noticed the behelit around Griffith's neck. So when Griffith tells Guts all about the Behelit, doesn't it sound like he knows a bit to much? He even said that everyone is willing to die for him and his dream; he will choose where Guts will die for him and he knew everything about the behelit just that he didn't know how it worked. But maybe (I'm thinking) he didn't get it from a old lady merchant and he knows all about it. I haven't read the manga in a while so I don't know if it's the same speech. But damn if it doesn't sound like Griffith knows more about the behelit at that time than I thought.

Oh and sorry if I interrupted any discussion but I didn't want to make a new thread. ^_^

I don't have the manga or anime to hand, but I tihnk its more-or-less the same speech. I think you're generally meant to assume what he said about the Behelit was told to him by the old fortune teller who gave it to him. The whole 'everyone willing to die for him' thing is probably Griffith referring to 'dying in battle' for him rather than 'dying to make me a god, fuck-yeah damn straight!'.

Post by **Skullkracker** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 8:31 pm

yeah, he obviously has no idea about what things are to come
although his earlier words are surprisingly good implications

Post by **TheDrizzit** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 3:38 am

Yea, it's just that one statement he made to Guts "i will choose the place where you will die for me." That gets me thinking....or at least got me thinking...^_^

Post by **FootKnight** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:12 am

I think Griffith didn't know exactly what was going to happen, but knew a lot more than he let on. In Volume 12 Chapter 04, when Griffith sees the eclipse and the behelit change, he tries to tell Guts to stay back. This seems to imply that he knew some shit was going down and it was bad news for Guts.

Post by **Skullkracker** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:45 pm

There has been a discussion about this before I guess...
but damn he knew some shit was gonna happen...as soon as he realized he wasn't hallucinating anymore

Post by **MrFelony** » Sun Aug 20, 2006 4:24 am

maybe he didnt want to sacrifice guts and wanted him out of the eclipse and maybe the reason why he fled from the camp was to try and commit suicide and summon the eclipse without his soldiers...but tricky Idea won't have it like that considering his other soldiers, minus rickert, were eaten as well, though SK saved rickert didnt he?

Post by **FootKnight** » Sun Aug 20, 2006 4:55 am

Well Rickert was outside the Eclipse area, so SK didn't really save him.

Post by **Buzkashi** » Sun Aug 20, 2006 5:33 am

Yea but he was still surrounded by many apostles. So yea SK did save him.

Post by **TheDrizzit** » Sun Aug 20, 2006 7:24 am

Yea you had the Baron and then the elf-ish girl from that lost children arc there at the camp. They slaughtered the injured hawks there then went for Rickert but SK came in for the save. ^_^

Post by **UnforgivingGatsu** » Sun Aug 20, 2006 10:53 am

Jon Maitreya wrote:
TheDrizzit wrote:I was watching the anime just now and it got the part where Guts noticed the behelit around Griffith's neck. So when Griffith tells Guts all about the Behelit, doesn't it sound like he knows a bit to much? He even said that everyone is willing to die for him and his dream; he will choose where Guts will die for him and he knew everything about the behelit just that he didn't know how it worked. But maybe (I'm thinking) he didn't get it from a old lady merchant and he knows all about it. I haven't read the manga in a while so I don't know if it's the same speech. But damn if it doesn't sound like Griffith knows more about the behelit at that time than I thought.

Oh and sorry if I interrupted any discussion but I didn't want to make a new thread. ^_^
I don't have the manga or anime to hand, but I tihnk its more-or-less the same speech. I think you're generally meant to assume what he said about the Behelit was told to him by the old fortune teller who gave it to him. The whole 'everyone willing to die for him' thing is probably Griffith referring to 'dying in battle' for him rather than 'dying to make me a god, fuck-yeah damn straight!'.

i'll go with this expalnation!!

i think it's a pritty good one they didn't know nothing about supernatrual at that point though.
i believe or should i say the obvious part where it all begun it would be when guts overheard griffith's talk with charlotte on a bal, when he come back from assassination mission

guts than strated thinking diffrently because of Griffith's speech... and that' was obvious mistake and that's where all went wrong and it's begining of eclipse going to motion!

Post by **Skullkracker** » Sun Aug 20, 2006 11:09 am

hellloooooo!

Griffith had no idea about what the behelit can do
and he only knew about the eclipse what the GH told him

he was driven to the site by his visions, and tried to commit suicide once he saw how ridiculous and broken he became

besides, if he knew what was coming, he would have given careful thought about the sacrifice, and the GH didn't have to persuade him so much

(pardon my English)

Post by **MrFelony** » Sun Aug 20, 2006 3:18 pm

heh, dont worry skully, i was just poking the embers with a stick so to speak

. but go all the way outthere to commit suicide? didnt he have a sword in the wagon with him? if he could manage to drive a carriage im sure he could somehow slit his throat on a sword...

Post by **FootKnight** » Sun Aug 20, 2006 4:24 pm

TheDrizzit wrote:Yea you had the Baron and then the elf-ish girl from that lost children arc there at the camp. They slaughtered the injured hawks there then went for Rickert but SK came in for the save. ^_^

Oh shit yeah, I completely forgot about that for some reason, disregard my previous statement.

Post by **Skullkracker** » Sun Aug 20, 2006 4:36 pm

MrFelony wrote:heh, dont worry skully, i was just poking the embers with a stick so to speak . but go all the way outthere to commit suicide? didnt he have a sword in the wagon with him? if he could manage to drive a carriage im sure he could somehow slit his throat on a sword...

I'd rather you called me Mulder, but then again, that has nothing to do with my nick

And it is probably needless to say why he drove off, and why there couldn't have been a sword in his carriage...so I'll just let the newbies speak

Post by **MrFelony** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:54 am

this forums isnt for them to discuss, but for them to ask and us experts answer

Post by **Skullkracker** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:56 am

then I won't leave any bullshit behind

so Gr. had those visions about his younger self, and felt that it might not be over yet, and tried to follow the vision, but got dumped into the water in the end

and what kind of dumbass would just go and leave a sword in badly broken man's carriage, who cannot possibly use it to defend himself?
the idea of suicide was a fresh idea for him anyway

Post by **UnforgivingGatsu** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:38 am

Skullkracker wrote:then I won't leave any bullshit behind

so Gr. had those visions about his younger self, and felt that it might not be over yet, and tried to follow the vision, but got dumped into the water in the end

and what kind of dumbass would just go and leave a sword in badly broken man's carriage, who cannot possibly use it to defend himself?
the idea of suicide was a fresh idea for him anyway

you got that right

it's so obvious why was all happened that way it's perfectly clear...

Post by **UnforgivingGatsu** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:06 pm

and yeah i forgot to ask... it would be to much to view all of the posts in search of smth because i dunno where to start looking heh and it could take hours to search it all... so i thought you could help me because you know all that is there

so i don't know if this question was ever asked or answered...what would i like to know is that i'm interested in that mark guts and caska carry it on their body... i'm interesed i mean i know there must be some explanation about it some symbol that it represent... i wanted to know what it is because after berserk there is many more enconters with that symbol be it in a game, movie, .... and that's more i like to know what it represent... i was lazy to look on the internet because don't know what am i looking how to expalin it or again where to find something like that.... so i hope that you undersanded what i asked to know?!!

my english isn't so good so excuse me in advance for any mistakes and construction of sentances!

i know that out of manga that has to be two snakes on a stick or smth but i'm not sure.... can you help me is anyone encountered smth like that before and where ... thank you very much

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