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There are more inventive ways of shocking the reader than the usual "let's kill off a supporting character" ordeal.
"Nothing is going on in this series, so let's kill off some dude and then introduce 10 more characters to take his place."
It's kinda tiring actually.
The Eclipse was different though. Miura pushed that in every possible aspect and just went nuts with the whole thing.
Goddammit Miura, bring back the glory days of Berserk already!
PS: I just realized that Farnese hasn't done a single thing since she was "rescued." Everybody went through all that trouble to get her back and she's regressed to being a nobody.
What happened to the excellent character development in this series?
yea i admit killing off characters is not a novel way to alter the reader's mood.
on the other hand, i feel berserk is a manga where nothing remains the same, like BA alita. characters come and go all the time. a death in the party feels like a long time coming.
Femto wrote:PS: I just realized that Farnese hasn't done a single thing since she was "rescued." Everybody went through all that trouble to get her back and she's regressed to being a nobody.
What happened to the excellent character development in this series?
*sigh*
Berserk is not exactly known for its über-quickz0r pace. They've been fighting more or less constantly since she was 'rescued', but her time will come.
Also, character development doesn't mean the charachters in question really have to "do" anything. Rickert, Corkus, even Judeau got most of their character development not from fighting scenes, but just from their interactions with Guts and how they all related to each other. I don't see why this has to be any different with Farnese or the current Caska (sure she's a walking vegetable now, but somehow the interactions Guts has had with her were crucial to the story). But if one were to argue that they don't feel as attached to the new characters as much as they did to the last set, that wouldn't surprise me too much, because there are very few similarities between the two groups of people. *shrugs*
I have no problems with the current pace and I believe Berserk is still going strong.
I prefer this group ( minus the latest additions) to the Hawks, anytime - anyday. That being said, it is very realistic for most of the group members to do nothing for now. They were seriously outnumbered and cornered, so it makes sense for them to rely on Guts for mass-destruction (with a small probability of friend-destruction mode) and Schierke for a huge-spell.
Miura spent so much time setting up this fight, and I'm waiting to see what he has in mind. Given Schierke's condition, there is no one to stop Guts now. Will he be the one making Schierke's earlier vision come true? Will there be an interaction between Guts' inner demon and Schierke ... not like that you bast..d, eww ... ?
just kidding. I know how annoying that is being the leader of a group myself.
Just so i wont take any space anywhere else, you guys started scanning berserk at 227 right? why then? because it seems kind of odd considering that the hawks where doing it.
N3oShweaty wrote:Just so i wont take any space anywhere else, you guys started scanning berserk at 227 right? why then? because it seems kind of odd considering that the hawks where doing it.
That was the chapter right after where the volume scans that hawks left off at that time, since they don't do magazine scans.
I thought Farnese had enough character development with her decision to leave or stay. Besides, the monsters they're fighting right now are slightly stronger than the trolls (in my opinion), so you can't expect her to do much besides keeping Casca safe and away from getting killed and shit.
I don't think half the toilet seats in the world are as clean as I should like; and only half of those are half as clean as they deserve. - tsubaimomo, July 26, 2010 3:00 am
I never reliezed that Guts loses his tools and other weapons when he goes berserk, I think this is the first time Muira has showed us that. Interesting... not real but oh well. I cant wait to see what Schierke is going to do about this situation, and is Guts looking at the crew??!!! I would be running for the hills
True. I can't figure out why their all standing around watching him. Since they know he can't really distinguish friend from foe, why not hide? After all, he won't attack them unless he sees them while still in total berserk mode. And even then, probably not until all other enemies are dead (he does seem to be able to reason enough to target the strongest/most dangerous foes first, then come back for the weaker ones).
Berserk is as great as ever in my opinion. I wonder what's going to happen next. Maybe Gatts will master the Berserker armor enough to not attack his allies, and deactivate it on will. That'd be sweet!
I hope that is what schierke is in there to do... I hope it is revelation time that would be cool right about now, like Flora talking to schierke telling her how to calm or help guts break his rage or the spirits telling both guts and schierke what is to come in the ties of fate... something like that would be cool
It'd be absolutely awesome if Schierke's spirit is forever trapped into the armor and sort of becomes its mind/conscious/whatever, controlling it from within when Guts loses control.
The possibilities this cliffhanger has opened are nigh limitless.
I'm curious to see where Miura takes this but, judging from the current way of things, I'm sad to say that I don't really have very high expectations.
EDIT: Guts used his cannon when he fought Grunbeld in his Berserker armor if I remember correctly.
I think he discarded his weapons for two possible reasons.
First, he really doesn't need them. He's a monster who's so much stronger with the armor, and that extra strength will only make a difference with a huge sword, not throwing knives or a crossbow.
Second, he can't. Since he's so worried about the bloodshed, he can't concentrate to use tools more....sophisticated You have to have some attention to use at least the crossbow, so...he can't.
Well, the knives may get in his way while in Berserk mode, since the armour reinforces his bones when they are broken with sharp blades piercing his skin. In the battle between the whalelephant where he used the Berserker Armour, you could see that the knives and his belt are fling away from his waist by the wind or aura that accompanies his transformation.
It could be possible that Guts threw the knives to Serpico or Ishidoro to use, or the knives and his belt are thrown away by the gust during his transition to Berserk mode.
I don't think half the toilet seats in the world are as clean as I should like; and only half of those are half as clean as they deserve. - tsubaimomo, July 26, 2010 3:00 am
Great chapter
Have you´ve considered the alternative that Schierke might be able to learn Guts how to control the armor now when she´s inside of him??
Yeah I know it´s a long shot, but why not
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-- Marcus Tullius Cicero (106-43 BC)
Second, he can't. Since he's so worried about the bloodshed, he can't concentrate to use tools more....sophisticated You have to have some attention to use at least the crossbow, so...he can't.
The problem I have with that is that his fighting skill doesn't seem to go down at all in Berserk mode. He doesn't just start hacking wildly, or anything like that, if anything his skill and technique seem to increase along with his power in the armor. And he can still use his cannon, which seems more complex then using a crossbow, and much more so then throwing knives. Probably the armor makes him so powerful as to make them superfluous. Either that, or since he knows he's fighting Whalephants, he knows those weapons would be useless, and he doesn't want to carry the extra weight for the tiny fraction of a second that it would slow him down by.
I'm not sure what it is, but the most reasonable thing I can think of at the moment is that they might just fall off due to the morphing of the armour. His cannon stays since it is beneath the armour anyway. I find it interesting that Miura chose to make those details visible both times he goes berserk, but since he is known to draw in great detail, I wouldn't be surprised if this were just another example of his attention to detail rather than any type of foreshadowing per se.
Second, he can't. Since he's so worried about the bloodshed, he can't concentrate to use tools more....sophisticated You have to have some attention to use at least the crossbow, so...he can't.
The problem I have with that is that his fighting skill doesn't seem to go down at all in Berserk mode. He doesn't just start hacking wildly, or anything like that, if anything his skill and technique seem to increase along with his power in the armor. And he can still use his cannon, which seems more complex then using a crossbow, and much more so then throwing knives. Probably the armor makes him so powerful as to make them superfluous. Either that, or since he knows he's fighting Whalephants, he knows those weapons would be useless, and he doesn't want to carry the extra weight for the tiny fraction of a second that it would slow him down by.
I agree that the knives and crossbows become rather redundant when Guts is in Berserk mode, since his technique and speed are increased substancially that using his tools may become a burden more than an advantage in his Berserk state. I don't think he has a rational enough piece of mind to make use of them anyway. If the knives and crossbow did fall off due to the transformation with his armour, then they probably won't stand with the speeds that Guts is able to reach while berserk. I wonder if getting rid of the knives and his belt is a conscious action and decision, or just the gust that carried it away during his transformation.
I'm with Mystic about Miura's attention to detail, that man is amazing. After thrashing the whalelephant in the initial encounter, you can see in one frame that Guts is putting his belt and his knives back on, instead of reappearing miraculously in another frame.
I don't think half the toilet seats in the world are as clean as I should like; and only half of those are half as clean as they deserve. - tsubaimomo, July 26, 2010 3:00 am
Eldo wrote:
I'm with Mystic about Miura's attention to detail, that man is amazing. After thrashing the whalelephant in the initial encounter, you can see in one frame that Guts is putting his belt and his knives back on, instead of reappearing miraculously in another frame.
OMG, i completely missed that part! I was about to say how can he get his knives back
Wow! didn't expect this chapter to come out so early. Will join the discussion later after absorbing all the excitement. For now, THX MUCH!!!
Alright, some thoughts to share: It is possible that this time Guts is completely in control of the amour. He actually activated it himself, unlike a couple times before. It seems he's pretty confident doing it and we all know he rarely take unnecessary risks in battle except ones he planned. It's likely that Guts doesn't need the girl to lead the way back but it's her great opportunity to explore all his gloom memories. Canon and crossbow will need to be upgraded. Sure some elphs at the Helm can take care of that in due time.
You have to have some attention to use at least the crossbow, so...he can't.
