Newbie Berserk Discussion Thread

Post by **Starnum** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 12:06 am

Dear God! This logic of Casca siding with Griffith makes no fucking sense! I really can't wait to find out the outcome of the fucking topic so I can either go insane, or rub the answer in your faces.

Post by **suddy** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 2:21 am

I hate to admit it but i agree with most of the ppl here...if Casca does get her memory back she would either side with Griffth or run off on her own. I would prefer the latter..i hate the site of her and griffth. But, if casca regained her memory im sure she wouldnt have forgetten the time when guts tried to strangle and rape her...so that would be a factor aswell..hai...
And i would feel sorry for guts..he loses casca to the person who raped her...he would just be demoralized..he'll probably go berserk but would always have that terrible sad feeling inside of him of loosing Casca and probably wont be able to fight aswell...

Btw chapter 258 is the latest chap right? And i read at the bottom (well tried to read the japanese) that the next chapter comes out in the 22nd of July...anyone know the details?

Post by **MrFelony** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 4:17 am

meh it'll be out when its out

. I think its more likely she woudl chose neither of them, and then an equal chance of her going to either griffith or guts. but i still think guts is going to kill her

but thats something thats a wait and see

Post by **suddy** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:30 am

ahhh i dont wan Gutts to kill her!....just get the kid and casca and go live in elf land..happy ending

...nah that would suck...but i doubt she'll die anytime soon...shes a main character afteralll

Post by **MrFelony** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:25 am

I see her as more of a plot developer for the story between guts and griffith

Post by **suddy** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:37 am

o...well thats pretty cold man -_-...i dont think shes just a pawn...but to some extent i agree with u...shes the basic link between gatts and griffth....

I wonder when they're final meeting is gonna be...i hear in other forums that berserk is gonna go on for another 5 years...*drool*...more blood and gore

Post by **Ingoman** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:22 pm

The thing is, Gutts has a lot of pain inside, and not just from the eclipse. Let's face it, he's a fucked up guy.

I can't see her going to Griffith. Maybe as she is now she would, but a cured Caska would feel everything that Gutts feels. Don't forget, the only person who felt the way Caska felt about Griffith... was Gutts.

Gutts thought of him as a BROTHER right up until he betrayed him and everyone. If Gutts was cured of the pains in his heart (the psychotic episodes, the overwhelming hatred, the fear) do you think he'd say to himself "Well gee, I feel better! I think I'll become an Apostle and help out ol' Griffith!"

Let's give Caska a little credit here.

I *do* think her relationship with Gutts is doomed, but not because of what he did when she was out of it (if "she" even was there at the time, and not buried so deep that she doesn't even remember) but rather because Gutts has changed. Whether he can change back to keep her is another question. I don't think she can really blame him for having a few psychotic episodes in which he inadvertently harmed her, not considering the stress he is under. If she hadn't been loopy he wouldn't have had to bear it all himself in the first place and it may never have even happened.

Post by **akari** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 3:12 pm

I didn't know where to put this, so here it goes:
Anybody knows where to find names of ALL characters in Japanese
(in katakana or romaji)? It's very important.

And another thing. Does anyone know where to get that font from EG releases?

Post by **MrFelony** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:49 pm

well this is the safest place to put that question

, but no i cant provide you with an answer, im assuming you've already checked out skullknight.net and read the FAQ? if you havent then go ahead

Post by **Starnum** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:14 pm

Woah! GATTS DID NOT TRY TO RAPE CASCA! If he had, then she would've been raped. He just choked her a little and bit her boob. This was also not his fault. I don't think Gatts is going to kill her, that's just stupid. I also doubt she'll leave Gatts, but that's just my opinion. Anyway, I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I can't wait, that's for sure.

Post by **Necromancer** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:27 pm

Ingoman wrote:Don't forget, the only person who felt the way Caska felt about Griffith... was Gutts.

I don't think so. Guts felt different about griffith than all the others. Everyone including Casca knew how Griffith is, Casca wanted to be at Griffiths side, but she knew she could only be his sword. Guts fought to become more than that. He became his (only) friend.

And I agree with Starnum in all points.

Post by **MrFelony** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:29 pm

well the reason why i see guts killing casca is because he pretty much mirrors griffith in many different ways. his actions, dreams, and a bunch of different things. i think he is "fated" to kill her. at some point i think he will have the choice, but i dont know yet whether or not miura will decide to have guts kill her, but if he continues to follow the same path griffith did, then he will. i know i sound pretty vague with my evidence, thats because its in my head and if any smart person wanted to connect the dots they could.

Post by **Starnum** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:29 pm

Necromancer wrote:
Ingoman wrote:Don't forget, the only person who felt the way Caska felt about Griffith... was Gutts.
I don't think so. Guts felt different about griffith than all the others. Everyone including Casca knew how Griffith is, Casca wanted to be at Griffiths side, but she knew she could only be his sword. Guts fought to become more than that. He became his (only) friend.

That's a good point, and let's not forget that Casca had these feelings BEFORE he raped her and killed all of her friends.

Oh, and yes Gatts and Griffith do have similarities, but they're not great enough to draw a line to Gatts killing Casca. Gatts loves her dude, he would never kill her on purpose.

Post by **suddy** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:44 am

Starnum wrote:
Necromancer wrote:
Ingoman wrote:Don't forget, the only person who felt the way Caska felt about Griffith... was Gutts.
I don't think so. Guts felt different about griffith than all the others. Everyone including Casca knew how Griffith is, Casca wanted to be at Griffiths side, but she knew she could only be his sword. Guts fought to become more than that. He became his (only) friend.
That's a good point, and let's not forget that Casca had these feelings BEFORE he raped her and killed all of her friends.

Oh, and yes Gatts and Griffith do have similarities, but they're not great enough to draw a line to Gatts killing Casca. Gatts loves her dude, he would never kill her on purpose.

Ah see now thats what i wanted to hear....he does love her...Gatts is a strong willed fighter....and at this point i still believe he can take control over his life...and not be influenced too much by his inner demon.
Im starting to dislike casca as the story progresses...ok she lost her memory and everything but the reaction she exhibited when Griffth first appeared on earth...that realllyy pissed me off...maybe im misunderstanding (i hope i am). Maybe she just yearns for Griffth to return to his normal self..maybe she just wants to ask Griffth why he did it....damn it this manga is soo good...

Post by **ucrzymofo87** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:28 am

i agree. caska does kinda make me mad. gutts has done so much for her and taken care of her and she runs and screams when he comes near her. if she subconsciously still loves griffith, what happened to her love for gutts? the new chapters couldnt come any sooner

Post by **DarkenRahlX** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:41 am

She's just playing hard to get.

Post by **suddy** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:00 am

DarkenRahlX wrote:She's just playing hard to get.

lol i cant really see how a person who cant speak has no memory and is basically dumb..can play hard to get...but if u say so

Ah and one more thing...about the child..we've seen in previous chapters that the child has always been there to protect caska...but does anyone know the childs perception about Gatts....cuz everytime the child appears infront of Gatts demons start attacking Gatts and the child doesnt bother helpin Gatts out...or maybe I percieved it wrong...The child was acting decent towards Gatts when they found him in the beach and took him into a house...

Post by **MrFelony** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:03 am

hrmmm...looks like i need to relearn the edit button

Post by **MrFelony** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:11 am

Starnum wrote:That's a good point, and let's not forget that Casca had these feelings BEFORE he raped her and killed all of her friends.

Oh, and yes Gatts and Griffith do have similarities, but they're not great enough to draw a line to Gatts killing Casca. Gatts loves her dude, he would never kill her on purpose.

he definitely loves her, but griffith loved guts. but when push came to shove, he began to hate him as well, for even though he was the only thing keeping him alive, he was also the reason for him losing sight of his dream and what he had been striving for for most of his life. Its the same scenario now. Guts definitely loves casca, but now she has made him stray from his path. and dont tell me that you havent seen the frustration in guts' eyes as he has had to put up with casca.

His will is being tested and he is tempted to kill her so he may once again pursue his dream. however, he does have a chance of not following that path. but so did griffith. if just a couple of circumstances were different, he probably would have achieved his kingdom (caught by maid, forgeting sword, et cetera). Im not saying that guts would chose to kill casca now, but im guessing that certain things will go wrong and circumstances will not be in their favor, and that is why he will make the choice to kill her.

though having the child on their side offers some more hope that he wont go berserk in his armor and kill her. I think it will be a conscious choice, with him being goaded into doing it by his hellhound (Necromancer

) demon, just like griffith was goaded into doing it by the 4 members of the godhand. but like it or not, its miura's choice

. and right now its hard to say if he wants a happy or tragic ending. but guts killing casca seems more befitting than them livign happily together. though her refusing to go with him is probably the most likely scenario. she followed griffith's dream and look what happened, and guts is just like griffith, so why go with him. he's gonna have to roll one helluva diplomacy check

Post by **Skullkracker** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:12 am

one thing the kid may very well know:
"daddy can protect himself better"

besides he WAS rude when it was born, maybe it is just shy hehe

edit: about Guts being like Gr.: his situations may be, but I'm sure he is not going to make similar decisions.

Post by **akari** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:36 am

MrFelony wrote:well this is the safest place to put that question , but no i cant provide you with an answer, im assuming you've already checked out skullknight.net and read the FAQ? if you havent then go ahead

I've read FAQ and etc. I checked skullnight (but they don't have all characters - I need all names, and they don't have Japanese spelling)

Maybe someone in this forum is in possession of all raw chapters? It could help I suppose

A... and thanks MrFelony. Everybody else just... ignored me

Post by **Skullkracker** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:46 am

everybody else is clueless I suppose...

MrF what have you been "double posting" here?!?!?!?

Post by **MrFelony** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:23 am

heh no problem

. i fight for the littel guy..or is it with...

and yes i double posted onaccident

and it was too late to hide my mistake thanks to you

. if no one replies try pming random people..though not myself, or find the raws and try it that way...help and suggestion forums maybe...

Post by **RedEyes** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:29 am

Akari: I didn't reply your post as MrFelony did before me and I had nothing else to add. This might be the case with others as well. So, don't feel dissapointed easily...

Back to discussion... As long as he is sane, I don't think that Guts will ever make a choice to kill Casca. He is frustrated because the woman he loved was strong and clever, but now she is like a kid. He couldn't talk to her or have sex with her for ages. BTW, why do you think that Guts' path and Casca are two conflicting things?

Post by **MrFelony** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:37 am

guts dream, as stated by SK, is now to kill casca, or at least that was what it was after he recovered from the eclipse. but now he has been drawn back to casca. he cant have one or the other, because he cant truly hunt after griffith while always being afraid for her, that and i doubt she would accompany him on the task, let alone be of any help on it. so now he has to make the choice, chase after griffith or spend time with casca and trying to get her healed, he cant do both so he has to choose.

officially my last post since its 1111

(don't be too happy im lying after all

)