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Puck is a mischievous pre-Christian nature spirit. The pagan trickster was reimagined in Old English puca (Christianized as "devil") as a kind of half-tamed woodland sprite, leading folk astray with echoes and lights in nighttime woodlands (like the Celtic/French "White Ladies", the Dames Blanches), or coming into the farmstead and souring milk in the churn.
In Ireland, "puck" is said to be sometimes used for "goat".
Since, if you "speak of the Devil" he will appear, Puck's euphemistic "disguised" name is "Robin Goodfellow" or "Hobgoblin," in which "Hob" may substitute for "Rob" or may simply refer to the "goblin of the hearth" or hob. The name Robin is Middle English in origin, deriving from Old French Robin, the pet form for the name Robert. After Meyerbeer's successful opera Robert le Diable (1831), neo-medievalists and occultists began to apply the name Robin Goodfellow to the Devil, with appropriately extravagant imagery. The earliest reference to "Robin Goodfellow" cited by the Oxford English Dictionary is from 1531.
If you had the knack, Puck might do minor housework for you, quick fine needlework or butter-churning, which could be undone in a moment by his knavish tricks if you fell out of favor with him. "Those that Hob-goblin call you, and sweet Puck, / You do their work, and they shall have good luck" said one of William Shakespeare's fairies. Shakespeare's characterization of "shrewd and knavish" Puck in A Midsummer Night's Dream may have revived flagging interest in Puck.
Yama wrote:I have two points to add.
The first is that I don't believe that Griffith being the "white general" has to do with any reference in historical context, it's a lot easier to believe that it has to do with the symbolism of white vs black.
Secondly, I believe that the God hand is really the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse , to be honest I couldn't give you which is which, but I think that the four before Griffith joining them is a very important thing to consider. To add to that, Griffith becoming Femto was the fifth sign of the apocalypse, remember? So I believe that he's actually supposed to symbolize the Anti-Christ. He also takes the spot of the pointer finger on the God's hand. Obviously making him the leader of the group, because you know... he points, they follow.
Continuing that that though further though gets a bit weird, because that basically means that if Gutts does kill the anti-Christ, he's Jesus reborn? I just don't see that. So it's not complete comparison.
I also believe that it's important to remember during this discussion that this time period he's creating is dealing with a lot of monotheistic religions compared to the polytheistic religion butting heads at the time. So this is where a lot of the symbols will get kind of muddled.
I guess that's all I have to say.
Interesting read. I know some people don't like Puck but I think he adds needed levity to the series.ryusenka wrote:hmmmmmmmmmm
From wikipediaPuck is a mischievous pre-Christian nature spirit. The pagan trickster was reimagined in Old English puca (Christianized as "devil") as a kind of half-tamed woodland sprite, leading folk astray with echoes and lights in nighttime woodlands (like the Celtic/French "White Ladies", the Dames Blanches), or coming into the farmstead and souring milk in the churn.
In Ireland, "puck" is said to be sometimes used for "goat".
Since, if you "speak of the Devil" he will appear, Puck's euphemistic "disguised" name is "Robin Goodfellow" or "Hobgoblin," in which "Hob" may substitute for "Rob" or may simply refer to the "goblin of the hearth" or hob. The name Robin is Middle English in origin, deriving from Old French Robin, the pet form for the name Robert. After Meyerbeer's successful opera Robert le Diable (1831), neo-medievalists and occultists began to apply the name Robin Goodfellow to the Devil, with appropriately extravagant imagery. The earliest reference to "Robin Goodfellow" cited by the Oxford English Dictionary is from 1531.
If you had the knack, Puck might do minor housework for you, quick fine needlework or butter-churning, which could be undone in a moment by his knavish tricks if you fell out of favor with him. "Those that Hob-goblin call you, and sweet Puck, / You do their work, and they shall have good luck" said one of William Shakespeare's fairies. Shakespeare's characterization of "shrewd and knavish" Puck in A Midsummer Night's Dream may have revived flagging interest in Puck.
Has this been officially confirmed as the source of the name? I was looking at some Warhammer stuff and wondered if it was a derivation from "Slaanesh".psi29a wrote:Slan, the female member of the God Hand. A temptress who appears to have a "fascination" with Guts. Her name is inspired from A. E. van Vogt's Slan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SlaaneshWikipedia wrote:In the fictional universes of Warhammer 40,000 and Warhammer Fantasy, Slaanesh is one of the four major Chaos gods. Slaanesh is depicted, in both Warhammer 40,000 and Warhammer Fantasy as the youngest of the four major gods. Like his brother gods, Slaanesh grew from a single survivalist emotion: in his case, the emotion was pleasure. He is the god of excess, hedonism, pride, aestheticism and self indulgence; he is also known as the Dark Prince or the Prince of Excess.
Slaanesh is described as taking many forms, be they female or male, even hermaphroditic or androgynous. In any case, he is always unnaturally beautiful, and irresistible to mortals who view him. Slaanesh is generally regarded as being male, with the notable exception that the Eldar race of Warhammer 40,000 refers to Slaanesh as a female, normally referring to "her" as She Who Thirsts or the Great Enemy.
So it would indicate that 40K came after Berserk which started in 89.* Thorpe, Gavin; Priestley, Rick; Reynolds, Anthony and Cavatore, Alessio (2002). Warhammer Armies: Hordes of Chaos. Nottingham: Games Workshop. ISBN 1-84154-222-9.
* Thornton, Jake; and McQuirk, Space (2001). Warhammer Armies: High Elves, 2nd Edition, Nottingham: Games Workshop. ISBN 1-84154-175-3.
* Chambers, Andy; Haines, Pete; Hoare, Andy; Kelly, Phil, and McNeill, Graham (2002). Warhammer 40,000 Codex: Chaos Space Marines, 2nd Edition, Nottingham: Games Workshop. ISBN 1-84154-322-5.
* Priestley, Rick (1994). Warhammer 40,000 Codex: Eldar, 2nd Edition, Nottingham: Games Workshop. ISBN 1-872372-74-0.
So while it was 1987 for the first 40K book, the expansion that included Eldar came out in 1990, a year after Berserk did however there could be a common theme behind such as Vonnegut's work.The major expansions for Rogue Trader were the book Chapter Approved which gave army lists for the Space Marines and Eldar among others and the two-volume Realms of Chaos (1988 and 1990) which introduced the Horus Heresy and the Chaotic powers. Also the Imperial Guard were added during this period (although then called the Imperial Army).
Yep. Which is also why it is often used as one of the names for vampires. I'm pretty sure that the word has connotations of not just "Immortal", but an evil, dark, or inhuman immortal, which would fit in perfectly with Zodd, of course.One of Zodd's names he earned by having survived so many battles. Nosferatu means "Immortal."
The word itself does not mean "the undead" or "vampire", as is popularly thought. Theories regarding its etymology link it either to the Greek nosophoros (νοσοφορος; "plague-carrier"), or the Romanian nesuferitul ("the insufferable one").Istvan wrote:Yep. Which is also why it is often used as one of the names for vampires. I'm pretty sure that the word has connotations of not just "Immortal", but an evil, dark, or inhuman immortal, which would fit in perfectly with Zodd, of course.One of Zodd's names he earned by having survived so many battles. Nosferatu means "Immortal."
I know, and I didn't mean to imply that it did actually mean anything like vampire or undead, simply that it was often used to refer to vampires, because of its actual meaning.The word itself does not mean "the undead" or "vampire", as is popularly thought. Theories regarding its etymology link it either to the Greek nosophoros (νοσοφορος; "plague-carrier"), or the Romanian nesuferitul ("the insufferable one").
So speakith the wikipedia.
I think you mean Gottfried von Berlichingen zu Hornberg, aka "Götz with the iron hand", a German knight (1480 - 1562). He lost his right arm during a siege in 1505, and got a replacement made of iron. This arm had a special mechanism to firmly close the hand, so that he was still able to wield a sword. He didn't lose an eye, though. Here's an image of this arm:SirAileron wrote:Has someone tried looking for a person named Götts?
Speak for yourself...Our religion being rewritten.
Here´s two pics:During the period of the Black Death and the Great Plague of London, plague doctors visited victims of the plague to verify whether they had been afflicted or not, take their pay, and leave. Most were unqualified to do even this, as the qualified doctors fled, knowing they could do nothing for those affected by the plague. Their outfit consisted of a hat to show that the man was a doctor, a mask to protect the face which included crystal eyes to protect the wearer's eyes and the beak which was stuffed with spices or herbs to purify the air that the doctor breathed, a wooden stick to push away victims who would get too close to him, a pair of leather gloves to protect the hands, a gown waxed from the exterior, and full length boots. It was believed at the time that the plague was spread only through the air and not through the flea bites of the fleas living on the black rat. This was why the doctors stuffed herbs and spices in their masks or carried them somewhere on their person. The waxed clothing may have helped prevent fleas latching on and even prevented respitory droplet infection. This outfit might not have been worn often, as most of the doctors fled at the earliest signs of plague.
Rolos wrote:-He was born from a corpse? Has been killing (or assisting in the process) people ever since he was 5? Hahahaa...talk about having a shitty life. Its hilarious because he's not me.