Naruto: 4th inside Naruto?

Post by **Artezul** » Sat May 07, 2005 3:17 pm

To any Naruto readers here, how viable do you think this line of thinking is.

[Pic 1]

"In exchange for this Jutsu to work, you hand over your soul to death. It's a Fuun jutsu you pay for with your life. There's no need to avoid it. I'll die anyway. Once the Fuun is completed my soul will be consumed simultaniously. It's a Jutsu of a hero who once upon a time, saved the village. With this Jutsu from now, you'll die as well. "

[Pic 2]

"With this Jutsu, the one whose soul is sealed will suffer for all eternity in the belly of death, never gaining release. The one who is sealed and the one who performed the seal. Their souls will mingle, hating each other and battling the other for all eternity."

The accuracy of these translations are unknown to me because they are entirely up to the translators.

It says both of them will be consumed by death. It doesn't straight up say that they will both be sealed, but if the place that they are going to is one in the same then it is possible.

Post by **Necromancer** » Sat May 07, 2005 6:20 pm

Small topic for a new thread but okay it's a nice try.

I think they are both sealed because both are sucked out by the death god. After all it just got Oros arms and that means there are some arms jumping around in the death gods world.

It somehow took the part of the arms of Oros soul. I think that should mean that transfering into a new body wouldn't help because he transfers the damaged soul into the new "container". But as it seems it healed his arms.

Post by **Artezul** » Sat May 07, 2005 7:29 pm

I'm not following... Do you agree with the idea that the 4th is inside Naruto's stomach with the Kyubi or no?

Post by **Libaax** » Sat May 07, 2005 8:28 pm

After what the third said when he sealed the Oro's arms i'm pretty sure that 4th soul or something is sealed inside naruto with the kyubi. Maybe thats were Naruto gets his big chakra stamina from,that the fourth chakra has mixed with Naruto's

Post by **LordMune** » Sat May 07, 2005 10:09 pm

Nope, that's the Kyuubi chakra you're thinking about.

Post by **dos.azn** » Sat May 07, 2005 11:06 pm

we see a lot of resemblence but its pretty certain the 4th is sealed away for eternity. i jus think naruto is the 4th's son. remember itachi saying that hes after the 4ths legacy. perhaps family legacy?

Post by **Libaax** » Sat May 07, 2005 11:41 pm

Lord Mune

I said chakra stamina

and they have said from the begining that Naruto's own chakra has much more stamina than the others chakra. Maybe its kyubi that has made naruto's normal chakra better or something else.

Post by **LordMune** » Sun May 08, 2005 12:18 pm

Libaax wrote:Lord Mune

I said chakra stamina and they have said from the begining that Naruto's own chakra has much more stamina than the others chakra. Maybe its kyubi that has made naruto's normal chakra better or something else.

Bah, nonsense.

Post by **Necromancer** » Sun May 08, 2005 7:46 pm

dos.azn wrote:we see a lot of resemblence but its pretty certain the 4th is sealed away for eternity. i jus think naruto is the 4th's son. remember itachi saying that hes after the 4ths legacy. perhaps family legacy?

They have many similarities, but no I don't think naruto is the 4ths son.
And if the 4th is in Naruto he would somehow communicate with naruto like the kyubi does. They wouldn't have threated naruto like a monster if he was the son of their hero. And I think the jutsu is a little bit different, the 4th sealed the kyubi in an actual body, the 3rd sealed oros arms and himself in the world of the Death God.

Post by **Artezul** » Mon May 09, 2005 7:45 am

"It's a Jutsu of a hero who once upon a time, saved the village."

"You mean this is the jutsu that sealed even the Kyubi!?"

But other then this I really haven't read anything that would give me a better stance.

Post by **dos.azn** » Mon May 09, 2005 2:39 pm

Necromancer wrote: They have many similarities, but no I don't think naruto is the 4ths son.
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any reasoning perhaps dude?

Post by **huaja** » Mon May 09, 2005 3:01 pm

I think Naruto was called the 4th's Legacy more because he is the last thing the 4th left/did before he died not an actual family relation... E.g like a superhero who dies and leaves a legacy behind, that sort of thing...

Post by **Artezul** » Mon May 09, 2005 9:50 pm

dos.azn wrote:
Necromancer wrote: They have many similarities, but no I don't think naruto is the 4ths son.
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any reasoning perhaps dude?

Well if he was, Naruto would be something like Harry Potter.

huaja wrote:I think Naruto was called the 4th's Legacy more because he is the last thing the 4th left/did before he died not an actual family relation... E.g like a superhero who dies and leaves a legacy behind, that sort of thing...

But we're discussing whether or not the 4th is inside Naruto's belly.

Edit: Oooh... that's how you create quotes...

Post by **dos.azn** » Mon May 09, 2005 10:07 pm

lol harry potter

Tue May 10, 2005 9:21 pm

My only guess is that the 4th sealed the fox in the belly of naruto just to protect his 'son'. I can't see any other reason than that.

My other not so very likely guess nor very serious guess is that he had no other choice to seal it into someone else than himself because the deathgod couldn't simply fill his stomach with both a human and a monster or something, atleast the part with not being able to swallow a demon could be halftrue! ;p

Post by **Starnum** » Wed May 11, 2005 8:50 am

Yeah, I don’t think Naruto is the fourth’s son. They’d probably have mentioned that already. As for the jutsu, it’s an odd technique, but I think the third used a different variation then the one performed to seal Kyubi. It is my understanding that Kyubi was sealed within Naruto, and the fourth himself was pulled down into Death’s belly. So, he’s just dead. However, the third will now be battling eternally with the first and second. It’s a pretty messed up situation really.

Post by **dos.azn** » Wed May 11, 2005 2:31 pm

mebbe the kyubi spirit is too large to consume *shrugs

we seen it happen in something like diablo 2. baals spirit was too large to be kept inside the lil crystal, so tal rasha had his men stab it into his chest

Post by **Artezul** » Thu May 12, 2005 3:35 pm

dos.azn wrote: we seen it happen in something like diablo 2. baals spirit was too large to be kept inside the lil crystal, so tal rasha had his men stab it into his chest

That made no sense whatsoever, yet I completely understand what your saying.

Post by **Starnum** » Fri May 13, 2005 10:28 am

Well, I would think that the 4th would be able to contain Kyubi better than Naruto, so I'm not so sure about that theory *shrugs*.

Post by **D031120** » Fri May 13, 2005 11:40 am

If you think about it the 4th was JUST a great ninja and the Nine-tails was like what? the strongest of the demons? I don’t think in a straight fight the 4th would be able to last .002 sec. My sincere hope is that they some time along the manga show the battle so we can get a better understanding of the level of abilities. your making light a demon at full power.

Post by **Eldo** » Fri May 13, 2005 1:13 pm

D031120 wrote:If you think about it the 4th was JUST a great ninja and the Nine-tails was like what? the strongest of the demons? I don’t think in a straight fight the 4th would be able to last .002 sec. My sincere hope is that they some time along the manga show the battle so we can get a better understanding of the level of abilities. your making light a demon at full power.

Nobody was denying that nine-tails is one of the strongest demons. After all, nine-tails totally massacred the whole village...but the fact remains that the 4th did seal him in Naruto's body. We know the whole battle was bloody, and that's about it.

Post by **dos.azn** » Fri May 13, 2005 2:39 pm

yea and considering itachi is getting the kyubi's power of sacrifice, its prolly one of the strongest ones

Post by **Necromancer** » Fri May 13, 2005 8:19 pm

Maybe the more tails they have, the stronger they are. Naruto and Kyubi will pwn them all!

Post by **D031120** » Fri May 13, 2005 9:28 pm

I think they did say that in the manga about the tails as a show of power.

Post by **zokie** » Fri May 13, 2005 10:22 pm

dos.azn wrote:we seen it happen in something like diablo 2. baals spirit was too large to be kept inside the lil crystal, so tal rasha had his men stab it into his chest

nonono it was that the soul stone broke and the only way to seal baal then was to use one of the soul stone shards as a medium and keep if of with sheer will.... thats how i got it anywas...
whatever

1.I dont think the 4th is in the seal on narutos stomach, its just that they used the same sealing technique. and he didn't seal the kyuubi in himself since using that technique means sacrificing ur life and the n the kyuubi would be free again.

2. I think by legacy they mean that he uses the rasengan which is the 4th's ninjutsu and that the forth taught kakashi and kakahi teaches naruto, something like that