let dos help you out libaaxBuzkashi wrote:Come on now , you can do better than that..Libaax wrote: the witch
her name is matilda
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Yeah, like, all witches should be burnt on stakes 
And I prefer Schierke because it's the official spelling the last I checked.
And I prefer Schierke because it's the official spelling the last I checked.
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Thegreensquid
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This is my first post. So be gentle and I'm going to try to make it intelligent.
I'd like to rehash the whole Caska thing if I may. I don't think she'll join Guts party. Here's why:
First let me explain my point of view when it comes to how Muira has constructed Berserk. I remember reading a theory somewhere that if you take a mountain, and zoom in on the tiniest spec of dust, the shape of that dust will be similar to the shape of the mountain. A good parallel would be a diagram of a solar system in comparison to the diagram of an atom.
That is how I believe Muira has constructed Berserk, the "flash back", ie everything leading up to and during the eclipse, is a microcosm through which the whole of berserk can be estimated. With slight variations here and there. There are many many many parallels which can be drawn, but I'll just stick with the relationship between Caska and Guts.
Generally speaking, when Caska and Guts were comrades in The Band of The Hawk Caska's feelings at the beggining could be classified as disdain. Disdain motivated by jealousy. That eventually grew in to love. During the time that Guts left the Hawks and Griffith was being tortured Caska had to bear the burden of leadership. When Guts returned she attempted to commit suicide because of this burden. It was at this point that the two had their moment of love. Which was, as you all know, cut short.
Caska's feelings towards Guts at present could be classified as disdain. Disdain motivated by fear. (Like I said, slight variations here and there.) My prediction is that she'll gain her sanity. That will essentially be like Guts' return to the Hawks. She'll be burdened by the memories of the eclipse. Essentially she'll say something like "I love you, but I can't go on remembering what happened." and she'll attempt to commit suicide again. They'll share a breif moment of togetherness, and yet again it will be cut short. Either with Caska's death or relapse in to insanity.
That's my basic theory at least. I allow for slight variations here and there. An example would be the possibility that she'll try to commit suicide and succeed.
As for a happy ending? I think that depends on how you define "happy" A fairy tale "happily ever after" wouldn't suit Berserk. I am however expecting a "satisfying" ending.
Also, I'd happily draw more parallels for you guys to illustrate my view on the construction of Berserk. But most of them don't pertain to the subject of this thread.
edit: (prepares for n00b flamage) Oh and if this theory has been mentioned already, feel free to hit me. I did read through every page of this thread, but I can't remember everything. I bruise easy.
I'd like to rehash the whole Caska thing if I may. I don't think she'll join Guts party. Here's why:
First let me explain my point of view when it comes to how Muira has constructed Berserk. I remember reading a theory somewhere that if you take a mountain, and zoom in on the tiniest spec of dust, the shape of that dust will be similar to the shape of the mountain. A good parallel would be a diagram of a solar system in comparison to the diagram of an atom.
That is how I believe Muira has constructed Berserk, the "flash back", ie everything leading up to and during the eclipse, is a microcosm through which the whole of berserk can be estimated. With slight variations here and there. There are many many many parallels which can be drawn, but I'll just stick with the relationship between Caska and Guts.
Generally speaking, when Caska and Guts were comrades in The Band of The Hawk Caska's feelings at the beggining could be classified as disdain. Disdain motivated by jealousy. That eventually grew in to love. During the time that Guts left the Hawks and Griffith was being tortured Caska had to bear the burden of leadership. When Guts returned she attempted to commit suicide because of this burden. It was at this point that the two had their moment of love. Which was, as you all know, cut short.
Caska's feelings towards Guts at present could be classified as disdain. Disdain motivated by fear. (Like I said, slight variations here and there.) My prediction is that she'll gain her sanity. That will essentially be like Guts' return to the Hawks. She'll be burdened by the memories of the eclipse. Essentially she'll say something like "I love you, but I can't go on remembering what happened." and she'll attempt to commit suicide again. They'll share a breif moment of togetherness, and yet again it will be cut short. Either with Caska's death or relapse in to insanity.
That's my basic theory at least. I allow for slight variations here and there. An example would be the possibility that she'll try to commit suicide and succeed.
As for a happy ending? I think that depends on how you define "happy" A fairy tale "happily ever after" wouldn't suit Berserk. I am however expecting a "satisfying" ending.
Also, I'd happily draw more parallels for you guys to illustrate my view on the construction of Berserk. But most of them don't pertain to the subject of this thread.
edit: (prepares for n00b flamage) Oh and if this theory has been mentioned already, feel free to hit me. I did read through every page of this thread, but I can't remember everything. I bruise easy.
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Femto
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Man... A lot of n00bs have been coming here lately... If this keeps up, we might soon be overwhelmed...
In reply to Thegreensquid, even though Caska commiting suicide when/if she regains her senses does kinda make sense, I don't see it happening, just because it would be a poor ending to this subplot, not to mention a waste of character. Miura might be able to pull it off though, we've seen some of the stuff he can do. Still, I wouldn't bet on it.
And I'd like to hear some of your other theories too. The whole "parallel between the flashback and the present time" thing sounds interesting.
In reply to Thegreensquid, even though Caska commiting suicide when/if she regains her senses does kinda make sense, I don't see it happening, just because it would be a poor ending to this subplot, not to mention a waste of character. Miura might be able to pull it off though, we've seen some of the stuff he can do. Still, I wouldn't bet on it.
And I'd like to hear some of your other theories too. The whole "parallel between the flashback and the present time" thing sounds interesting.
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Thegreensquid
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I agree Femto. It would be a horrible ending if she succeeded in killing herself. I'm just saying it's a possibility. I want the whole Guts/Caska thing to have a happy ending. I mean, she's the only thing keeping him human. I honestly think it's just going to be an attempt, thwarted by Guts ofcourse.
Ok, here's another example. I'm running on two hours of sleep so lemme see if I can word this properly.
Another parallel could be Drawn between when Donovan raped Guts and the eclipse.
With Donovan we have a man who was foreboding and overwhelming to Child Guts. Who was enabled to violate Guts emotionally and physically thanks to Gambino. Thanks to the humilation, sense of loss and a need for vegance, he soon gets retribution from Donovan. Not only against the Donovan, but the person who put him in Donovan's hands. However, killing Gambino does leave him with a sense of regret. Because to that point, Gambino was essentially his father. This section of the story is where Guts graduates from "student soldier of gambino" to "lone soldier" who soon, thanks to fate, joins the band of the hawk.
During the eclipse Guts is essentially raped again. Not physically, but emotionally. Anyone who knows anything about rape, knows it's more about power than sex. Only instead of Donovan, it's an apostle (or Apostles, however you want to look at it.) Apostles are very large and very foreboding and over whelming to "Soldier Guts". He is held down, powerless to stop something that leaves him with a sense of loss and a need for vengance. A need for vegance against the Apostles and the man who put him in that situation, Griffith. To that point Griffith was Guts' best friend. Though it hasn't happened yet. I believe that when Guts does kill Griffith he is going to feel a sense of loss. It's this section of the story where Guts graduates from "soldier" to "the black swordsman" who soon, through no concious action of his own, gathers a group of companions.
During the whole sex scene with Guts and Caska, the Donovan incident was brought up. I believe this was for two reasons. One as an obvious way to show the bond between Caska and Guts. (Afterall, it's the one time we see a geniunely vulnerable Guts) Two, as a very subtle way of foreshadowing of what's to come. I think the whole few moments of happiness are sort of a marker to say "ok we've come full circle."
Some could say that "he killed Gambino in self defense, but he's HUNTING Griffith." this is true. Like I said, minor differences here and there. But the character relations are what remain the same.
Once again, just a theory, I could be totally off base.
Also I'll make another thread for my Parallel theories if you guys find em interesting enough, I'd rather not thread jack.
Ok, here's another example. I'm running on two hours of sleep so lemme see if I can word this properly.
Another parallel could be Drawn between when Donovan raped Guts and the eclipse.
With Donovan we have a man who was foreboding and overwhelming to Child Guts. Who was enabled to violate Guts emotionally and physically thanks to Gambino. Thanks to the humilation, sense of loss and a need for vegance, he soon gets retribution from Donovan. Not only against the Donovan, but the person who put him in Donovan's hands. However, killing Gambino does leave him with a sense of regret. Because to that point, Gambino was essentially his father. This section of the story is where Guts graduates from "student soldier of gambino" to "lone soldier" who soon, thanks to fate, joins the band of the hawk.
During the eclipse Guts is essentially raped again. Not physically, but emotionally. Anyone who knows anything about rape, knows it's more about power than sex. Only instead of Donovan, it's an apostle (or Apostles, however you want to look at it.) Apostles are very large and very foreboding and over whelming to "Soldier Guts". He is held down, powerless to stop something that leaves him with a sense of loss and a need for vengance. A need for vegance against the Apostles and the man who put him in that situation, Griffith. To that point Griffith was Guts' best friend. Though it hasn't happened yet. I believe that when Guts does kill Griffith he is going to feel a sense of loss. It's this section of the story where Guts graduates from "soldier" to "the black swordsman" who soon, through no concious action of his own, gathers a group of companions.
During the whole sex scene with Guts and Caska, the Donovan incident was brought up. I believe this was for two reasons. One as an obvious way to show the bond between Caska and Guts. (Afterall, it's the one time we see a geniunely vulnerable Guts) Two, as a very subtle way of foreshadowing of what's to come. I think the whole few moments of happiness are sort of a marker to say "ok we've come full circle."
Some could say that "he killed Gambino in self defense, but he's HUNTING Griffith." this is true. Like I said, minor differences here and there. But the character relations are what remain the same.
Once again, just a theory, I could be totally off base.
Also I'll make another thread for my Parallel theories if you guys find em interesting enough, I'd rather not thread jack.
Greensquid: I think you're analysing a tad too much about Berserk. Your theories are intruging, and makes an interesting read, but I doubt it'll happen. I don't have much time, I gotta leave in an hour, so I'll comment quickly about Casca.
I don't think Muira intends to make Casca commit suicide. If she does, Guts would stop her. I don't think she'll actually succeed in killing herself. If she dies, Guts has lost about 99% of what he's fighting for.
The Donovan incident was brought up in the sex scene because Guts still have problems with his 'sexual experience'. Seeing Casca moan and scream reminded him of his younger self, and that brought it up. Since Guts was traumitised as a child, the experience still lingers on him. At the very beginning when Guts was a mercenary, he still wouldn't let people touch him, because of the whole Donovan thing.
I don't think Muira intends to make Casca commit suicide. If she does, Guts would stop her. I don't think she'll actually succeed in killing herself. If she dies, Guts has lost about 99% of what he's fighting for.
The Donovan incident was brought up in the sex scene because Guts still have problems with his 'sexual experience'. Seeing Casca moan and scream reminded him of his younger self, and that brought it up. Since Guts was traumitised as a child, the experience still lingers on him. At the very beginning when Guts was a mercenary, he still wouldn't let people touch him, because of the whole Donovan thing.
I don't think half the toilet seats in the world are as clean as I should like; and only half of those are half as clean as they deserve. - tsubaimomo, July 26, 2010 3:00 am