Russia and China holding joint military exercises

Post by **Killfile** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 9:15 pm

krymsonsith wrote:What, you think you're some kind of Russian expert? Idiot! There are people who are actually study this stuff so you don't have to. Sheesh.

Yes. That's exactly what I think I am. I hold a BA in history from the University of Virginia focusing on executive decision making in great empires, particularly the United States, The Soviet Union, and Ancient Rome.

I've studied under Phillip Zelikow, author of several very well known books on the Cold War and chair of the 9-11 commission. I've studied the role of and origins of war in the international system under Dale Copeland, a leading figure in the field of game theory. I've also studied Soviet History under Dr Rossman and Dr. McClellan, both significant contributors to the study of Stalinist period.

So yes, for the purposes of this form I'd say I'm as close as you're likely to get to an actual expert on Russia, the Soviet Union, and the Cold War.

Nice to meet you. I'm Killfile.

Post by **TheDarkness** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 9:19 pm

1 : 0 for killfile

Post by **Devil_Dante** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 9:22 pm

Killfile wrote:
krymsonsith wrote:What, you think you're some kind of Russian expert? Idiot! There are people who are actually study this stuff so you don't have to. Sheesh.
Yes. That's exactly what I think I am. I hold a BA in history from the University of Virginia focusing on executive decision making in great empires, particularly the United States, The Soviet Union, and Ancient Rome.

I've studied under Phillip Zelikow, author of several very well known books on the Cold War and chair of the 9-11 commission. I've studied the role of and origins of war in the international system under Dale Copeland, a leading figure in the field of game theory. I've also studied Soviet History under Dr Rossman and Dr. McClellan, both significant contributors to the study of Stalinist period.

So yes, for the purposes of this form I'd say I'm as close as you're likely to get to an actual expert on Russia, the Soviet Union, and the Cold War.

Nice to meet you. I'm Killfile.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWW that was some pure pwnage, I could hardly follow. Yeah!!

Post by **Shaka Zulu** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 9:47 pm

krymsonsith wrote:What, you think you're some kind of Russian expert? Idiot! There are people who are actually study this stuff so you don't have to. Sheesh.

Hahaha Killfile,I'm out of words

Its hard to find a better ownage then that.Its even funnier that the dude has unbelievable bad luck in choosing who to confront on this matter

Haha very convenient

Post by **Artezul** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 2:17 am

Killfile wrote:
krymsonsith wrote:What, you think you're some kind of Russian expert? Idiot! There are people who are actually study this stuff so you don't have to. Sheesh.
Yes. That's exactly what I think I am. I hold a BA in history from the University of Virginia focusing on executive decision making in great empires, particularly the United States, The Soviet Union, and Ancient Rome.

I've studied under Phillip Zelikow, author of several very well known books on the Cold War and chair of the 9-11 commission. I've studied the role of and origins of war in the international system under Dale Copeland, a leading figure in the field of game theory. I've also studied Soviet History under Dr Rossman and Dr. McClellan, both significant contributors to the study of Stalinist period.

So yes, for the purposes of this form I'd say I'm as close as you're likely to get to an actual expert on Russia, the Soviet Union, and the Cold War.

Nice to meet you. I'm Killfile.

Reads like a resume... Clean cut.

Post by **psi29a** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 4:28 am

TheDarkness wrote:them becomming a super power not but we were discussing the fact that they were getting stronger military wise and that this was a threat.... the economic part was a side trakc that was used for 2 posts or something..

well discussing might be big word btw...

The economic part is what started this whole thread, it is the main topic at hand. USA, while worried about military of the east, it doesn't hold a light to the possible economical issues that this can create. It is subtext, read in between the lines and you will see a whole world of information. Sorry if this isn't translating very well, but the war-games themselves isn't that threatening to West in terms of military might. The trade that will ultimately happen due to closer ties between Russia and China can really have an interesting effect on the world economy. It is a very pivotal turn of events that is happening in our life time.

Post by **Kêthêrîc** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 11:34 pm

kind of scary when you think about it. The military deal could end up being a problem if things go sour. We're not even out of Iraq yet, fighting another front might get sticky, especially with more economic problems. We'll were about due for an economic collapse anyhow....

Post by **TheDarkness** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 11:46 pm

Kêthêrîc wrote:kind of scary when you think about it. The military deal could end up being a problem if things go sour. We're not even out of Iraq yet, fighting another front might get sticky, especially with more economic problems. We'll were about due for an economic collapse anyhow....

If (and this is one of the biggest IF's i have ever used) this would escalate. Forget about fighting on a front.... prepare for world war 3. Russia and China combined would be more then able to start a war against the rest of the world. Heck Germany did it twice (no offense) and they were way smaller size wise, economically and in terms of people.
Nother thing. If this would go sour as you say. Forget about an attack on America for a while... Europe would be the first to be attacked. Easier to reach and strategically more important then America cause if a counter offensive were to be launched it would be far easier to have some ground to land on or to prepare a bit that is close to the place the actual war will be fought (like Great Britain in the second WW).

But i don't expect something like this to happen and i don't really see any reason to panic in such an extreme way. And heck we might be discussing this but I'm sure that those that make the "real" decisions have already taken some kind of action. Even if it were just to make a few more plans or start on improving diplomatic relations.

Mon Aug 22, 2005 7:52 am

What I feel more worried about is the possible upcoming economical situation between Japan and China. Japan who has been the big player in asia for a really long time is losing their ground to China and this I believe will cause a lot trouble.

EDIT:

Or the fact that Russia will become a superpower in the next 40 years

Post by **Skullkracker** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:29 am

Russia is still kindof a superpower. But economy is shit in more and more countries...

Post by **TheDarkness** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:44 am

in the next 40 or 50 years there will most likely be no more oil in the ground. That is far worse then russia getting a bit more powerfull on this here rock we call earth

Post by **Skullkracker** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:53 am

Seriously man, if oil runs there will be economic hell! and most likely: war

Btw what's up with wind power in the Netherlands?
(you're Dutch right?)

Post by **TheDarkness** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:00 am

we do a lot of shit.... wind power is one of them but it is not yet as effective as we would like it to be. We are working on a project to build an island in the north sea and place nothing but wind mills on them to generate more power.
We also use solar energy for a lot of things but we can only compete with other countries in percentual usage of these kinds of energie. We are but a small country

Post by **Skullkracker** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:17 am

a small but neat country...with flowers!

Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:01 pm

Tulip lovers

)

Post by **TheDarkness** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:18 pm

marihuana is legal in NL.... just don't carry too much at once

Post by **Skullkracker** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:43 pm

why is it called joint military exercises

Mon Aug 22, 2005 1:59 pm

joint is when you do something together with someone else, in this case russia and china had military excersises together.

Post by **Kêthêrîc** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:40 pm

I'm pretty sure oil will be around for more than only 50 years, there is alot untapped. Plus, how would all those corporate assholes make there money?

Post by **TheDarkness** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:50 pm

er the untapped resources amount to about 50 years (at current speed of usage). Then the stockpiles come into play and fuel for instance will probably cost 5 times as much as it does now.... i think the estimate was that in 80 years tops all the oil in the world would be depleted

Post by **Devil_Dante** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:13 pm

TheDarkness wrote:marihuana is legal in NL.... just don't carry too much at once

Lol My Friends always go buy some weed at Maastricht. They just take the bus. I've been into a few coffeeshops. Like Mississippi, wallstreet and a few more. But I never smoked any, and I don't plan smoking it. Most of the time I go with them just to go shopping after/before they bought/smoked some.

Post by **Necromancer** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 2:55 am

I know many that drive to NL just to get their "stuff".

Post by **Skullkracker** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:32 am

isse-pisse-päron-pung wrote:joint is when you do something together with someone else, in this case russia and china had military excersises together.

so I guess the fun was out of this question

in Hungarian slang: joint = weed

Post by **MrFelony** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:34 am

it means that in american as well

who do you think came up with it

Post by **Skullkracker** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:38 am

I'm relieved.
I guess isse didn't see my point...

*sleepy...at 10:30 a.m.*