Berserk Stupid theories

[The Herald]

Yet again this convo is getting too heavy. Time to lighten it up a bit ... okay, that's harder than it sounds. I predict that this explosion of the astral world will make Puck grow to the size of a normal human!

Also, can Puck shapeshift, or is that just a silly manga comedic gesture sorta thing?

[Istvan]

Yet again this convo is getting too heavy. Time to lighten it up a bit ... okay, that's harder than it sounds.

Humor. I can agree to that.

I predict that this explosion of the astral world will make Puck grow to the size of a normal human!

Sadly, everyone else also grows a similar amount, so he's still proportionally the same size. The reason everyone and everything grows so much is that the two worlds have been combined, and the astral world is much bigger than the matieral world, so the new fusion world has the combined size of both old worlds, and everything in it grows to match the new dimensions.

Also, can Puck shapeshift, or is that just a silly manga comedic gesture sorta thing?

I'm pretty sure this is just a comedic element.

[The Herald]

But what if it were real? Puck has obviously seen the future, but no one will listen to him. The force does exist in Berserk (one time he was Obiwan).

[Rolos]

And Yoda. Don't you dare forget about Yoda.

[Starnum]

Also Mazinger! It's definitely just for comedy relief. Not that we really need that sort of thing in Berserk, but at least it's just little stuff...cuz Puck is so small.

[The Herald]

I know, but one time when Puck was being James from Treasure Island, it was zoomed up real close ... which was kinda dumb because that was really cartoony, and this is Berserk. Magnifico, on the otherhand, is comic relief just by being in existence, he doesn't need to revert to cartoonishness at all.

What's a Mazinger? If its Starwars, then I feel dumb because I like Starwars and like to think of myself as someone who knows a lot about it. If its Star Trek, well, all I know is heresay and what I saw in the new movie. Now Dragonlance, I am a repository of stupid information on that, but too bad the only movie they made of it was so bad Kiefer Sutherland almost sued them.

[Rolos]

You seriously don't know anything about Mazinger?
Well, lets just say its basically the father of all mecha.
From What I ve read in the anime forum, you are kind of a fan of that genre, so yeah....


Berserk Stupid theory: Roderick loves Magnifico. I'm not talking about fili, much less ágape. I'm rhinking of Eros, in its purest form.
Marrying Magnifico's sister was the only way he could cope with the strange feelings he felt within him. that didn't work out.

[Istvan]

Berserk Stupid theory: Roderick loves Magnifico. I'm not talking about fili, much less ágape. I'm rhinking of Eros, in its purest form.
Marrying Magnifico's sister was the only way he could cope with the strange feelings he felt within him. that didn't work out.

That would explain why he's always hanging around Magnifico, even though Magnifico is so useless and stupid. I'd wondered.

[Starnum]

What's a Mazinger? If its Starwars, then I feel dumb because I like Starwars and like to think of myself as someone who knows a lot about it. If its Star Trek, well, all I know is heresay and what I saw in the new movie. Now Dragonlance, I am a repository of stupid information on that, but too bad the only movie they made of it was so bad Kiefer Sutherland almost sued them.

Heh, yeah, it's a classic super robot series. I haven't actually seen any of the old Mazinger, but of course I know about it, as I'm a series mecha-head and all. Though I have seen MazinKaizer and I thought it was pretty cool. I guess it's only a little surprising you didn't know about Mazinger, as you said you don't like super robots (even though they're awesome ). Mazinger is old-school too, so unless you were to play a lot of Super Robot Wars games, you probably wouldn't know about it. I imagine you're more into real robots and newer series, but it's also good to go back and check out the old-school mecha too. I still recommend you guys watch Ideon, it's actually really good.

[Born_Loser]

Okay. Time for MY stupid theory.

Xaltoltun rises up from the grave and uses his dark powers to conquer Griffith and begins re-shaping Midland into the ancient kingdom he once ruled. However, Griffith sneaks in and murders Xaltotun while he is totally wacked out on the Black Lotus, and having dreams of even more power, Griffith takes the Black Lotus himseld and begins having the powerful dreams that lead to him becoming even more powerful.
The Apostles who follow Griffith gathered in an intervention, feeling that Griffith's addiction to the Black Lotus is starting to interfere with their relationships and his ability to rule. At first Griffith agrees he does have a problem, but continues his use of the Black Lotus. Eventually, they gather again, and since nothing changed, Griffith gets angry and kills them all. He goes so crazy, he just starts killing people at random. This causes a problem for him when he killed his supplier of Black Lotus, and thus Griffith starts the long painful process of withdrawal.
When the cold shakes kick in, Griffith starts slaughtering the towns people, and the ED caused by the withdrawal forcess the Queen Charlotte to find the pleasure of another man.... Gutz, who's finally back from his fun and frolicking in the Elf Kingdom on Skellig, where he managed to meet King Arthur.
So, while Griffith is having his drug problems, Gutz is in Elfheim discovering lolicon and yuri and enjoying it a lot. So, when King Arthur offers his Excalubur sword to Gutz, he turns it out. But then the Lady of Shallot shows up, and convinces Gutz to take the sword. So, Gutz takes it, and after Lady Farnze pleasures herself on it, decides to find the great Blacksmith Kotetsu, and have the magic sword metalurgically merged, combined, with his Dragon Slayer(making it even bigger and heavier, of course).
But it is then that Gutz discovered that his sword is too heavy to weild. So, he asked Kotetsu, "How can I make my sword easier to use, Kotetsu replies, "Grow stronger". After Gutz hits him in the head, he walks off to fight a special monster that will make his sword easier to use. Then, Gutz decided that the lolicon wasn't working for him so well, he went back to the goro, and decided to get back to work slicing up demons.
So, Gutz goes back and finds Midland in complete turmoil. He pulls his sneaking around act, and is caught by surprise by the Queen Charlotte, who upon seeing his massive throbing sword, rips his armor off and rapes him. Gutz, not sure if he should feel abused or flattered that the Queen would want him so, enters counselling. Unfortunately, Thoth-Amon totally mind-fucks Gutz, and convinces him to find the heart ruby that ressurected Xaltotun originally, and using the ruby, Thoth-Amon summons the God-Hands and offers Gutz to be his sacrifice. But, Someone didn't explain the rules to Thoth-Amon. Gutz is already branded from a previous sacrifice, so he doesn't count. Thoth-Amon is then sucked into the vortex. Gutz, seeing his chance, uses his newly magiced Dragon Slayer to rack up his God-Hand points, and starts killing them. So, he kills all the God-Hands except Slan.
He takes Slan in his hands and says, "Who's a little boy now, Bitch!", and pulls off one of her wings. "Who's a little boy now!"
Then, the dimension closes and sends Gutz back before he can do any more damage to our God-Hand.... but the bloodlust is upon him, and he then goes hunting for Griffith. However, once he finds Griffith, Griffith is paralyzed on his left side. The rapid withdrawal caused him to have a stroke. In a weird twist of fate, Gutz then takes the Queen Charlotte, and in what I can only describe is insanely pornographic, satisfies her ever carnal need in front of Griffith.
Griffith then goes back into the other dimension to get help from the rest of the God Hands, but upon finding them all killed but slan has his final cry of despair as Slan decides to eat him to grow her wings back. Then Slan travels to Midland, appologizes to Gutz for calling him a little boy, and then Gutz becomes King.... And when it's all settled, Gutz throws his arms(arm and a half, really) around his winged demon babe, and his still fairly under-develoed bride and says...
"It's good to be the king."

[Istvan]

Okay, that was........weird.

[Born_Loser]

Okay, that was........weird.

Believe it or not, Void was the easiest to kill. He just stood there going, "It's impossible for him to hit me. That sword is so big, he can't even swing it, and he only even has one arm! Dur Dur Dur!" before Gutz cut him in half.
It was those two ugly fat ones that gave him all the trouble. One would keep flying up out of his reach, and the other would disappear and appear somewhere else. It was very annoying. Slan just stood there touching herself the whole time and pursing her lips. She was expecting something else besides the wing-ripping to happen, if y'know what I mean.

[Rolos]

Okay, that was........weird.

Believe it or not, Void was the easiest to kill. He just stood there going, "It's impossible for him to hit me. That sword is so big, he can't even swing it, and he only even has one arm! Dur Dur Dur!" before Gutz cut him in half.
It was those two ugly fat ones that gave him all the trouble. One would keep flying up out of his reach, and the other would disappear and appear somewhere else. It was very annoying. Slan just stood there touching herself the whole time and pursing her lips. She was expecting something else besides the wing-ripping to happen, if y'know what I mean.

Dude, that was fucking hilarious! (I had to look most of your references on Google, but it was totally worth it, it made your theory even funnier)

You are the funniest member we have had in a while.

Welcome!

[The Herald]

It was the kind of fucked up funny (but not dumb) that you get with great pieces of literature like "The Brother's Karamazov", especially all the referencing. Not to say that that was a great piece of literature, but it sure was funny as hell. I laughed so hard I think I might have winded myself. Okay, what happens next?

[Istvan]

It was the kind of fucked up funny (but not dumb) that you get with great pieces of literature like "The Brother's Karamazov", especially all the referencing. Not to say that that was a great piece of literature, but it sure was funny as hell. I laughed so hard I think I might have winded myself. Okay, what happens next?

Agreed. It's nice to see the "stupid theories" thread get back on track: total and complete (but humorous) insanity.

[Starnum]

Yeah, that's a good way to start off your posting here at EG, heh.

[Born_Loser]

Well, I read a lot, and I figure the Conan references fit Berserk perfectly. Conan is the original badass when it comes to weilding giant weapons and fighting giant monsters.
Thanks for the praise, I just let my imagination run wild, I honestly didn't think about the King Arthur references until I'd already typed them. My memory may be off, but I'm pretty sure Skellig was the islang King Arthur was supposed to be buried, but that might be Avalon... now that I think about it. Maybe Skellig was where ST. John was banished to when he wrote Revelation. You smart guys are going to make me go back and re-research(research again?) my sources.
I do have a few serious theories though, not just crazy stories that boarderline fan-fic.
Like, the child that appeared. It's gotta be Gutz and Casca's. I know it was swallowed by the egg and turned into Griffith.... but maybe just the evil portion was turned into Griffith, and the good part, the part that was Caska and Gutz was distilled and exists in the spirit realm, only able to cross over at certain times. Just a guess at what could happen.
My other thought is maybe it was the Elf King, or something to do with him, pandering to Casca's desire to have her baby back. This theory comes from the Skull Knight's cryptic message "What you want may not be what she wants."

One thing I also noticed, is how the Band of the Hawk was replaced. At least the key members were all replaced by Disciples with similar talents. Like, the archer guy = Jeudo, the rino guy with the flame throwing shield = Pippin. Of course, Zodd = Gutz. I still can't figure Zodd out though. My brain works in terms of "Good and Bad", and after the last few chapters, Zodd seems to be sliding out of the Bad folder, and into the Good. I can see a lot of similarities between him and Gutz, the battle frenzy and such.
I'm thinking, there is a lot more going on behind the scenes than we know. Like, the Skull Knight, what powers does he serve ? There has to be more than the God Hand, and that big vortex thing they serve(I forget it's name).
I just can't wait for more. I've never analyzed or been so obsessed over a manga or anime that I have over Berserk.
I'll post some more craziness once I get some time for it.

[The Prince]

Well, I read a lot, and I figure the Conan references fit Berserk perfectly. Conan is the original badass when it comes to weilding giant weapons and fighting giant monsters.
Thanks for the praise, I just let my imagination run wild, I honestly didn't think about the King Arthur references until I'd already typed them. My memory may be off, but I'm pretty sure Skellig was the islang King Arthur was supposed to be buried, but that might be Avalon... now that I think about it. Maybe Skellig was where ST. John was banished to when he wrote Revelation. You smart guys are going to make me go back and re-research(research again?) my sources.
I do have a few serious theories though, not just crazy stories that boarderline fan-fic.
Like, the child that appeared. It's gotta be Gutz and Casca's. I know it was swallowed by the egg and turned into Griffith.... but maybe just the evil portion was turned into Griffith, and the good part, the part that was Caska and Gutz was distilled and exists in the spirit realm, only able to cross over at certain times. Just a guess at what could happen.
My other thought is maybe it was the Elf King, or something to do with him, pandering to Casca's desire to have her baby back. This theory comes from the Skull Knight's cryptic message "What you want may not be what she wants."

One thing I also noticed, is how the Band of the Hawk was replaced. At least the key members were all replaced by Disciples with similar talents. Like, the archer guy = Jeudo, the rino guy with the flame throwing shield = Pippin. Of course, Zodd = Gutz. I still can't figure Zodd out though. My brain works in terms of "Good and Bad", and after the last few chapters, Zodd seems to be sliding out of the Bad folder, and into the Good. I can see a lot of similarities between him and Gutz, the battle frenzy and such.
I'm thinking, there is a lot more going on behind the scenes than we know. Like, the Skull Knight, what powers does he serve ? There has to be more than the God Hand, and that big vortex thing they serve(I forget it's name).
I just can't wait for more. I've never analyzed or been so obsessed over a manga or anime that I have over Berserk.
I'll post some more craziness once I get some time for it.

There's a whole lot of shit that has yet to be explained.

No doubt Zodd is defininitely The NeoBAOTH's version of Guts.

Though although Zodd is honorable, I would not say he is any "gooder" than any of the other ultra-apostles like Grumbeld, Locus, or that Archer dude..who all seem rather honorable. Aside from being on the wrong side of course.

[The Herald]

There's definitley a difference between being good and being honorable. Guts is the good guy, has a good heart, doesn't side with the bad guys, but he sure as hell isn't honorable by any sort of knightly medieval standards. The guy ignored nobles left right and centre, and that's not considered very noble. These characters beg the question of what is good, and if being honorable is being good. I personally think its just and archaic code of conduct for men too scared to make their own life decisions.

[Aetherfukz]

No doubt Zodd is defininitely The NeoBAOTH's version of Guts.

Though although Zodd is honorable, I would not say he is any "gooder" than any of the other ultra-apostles like Grumbeld, Locus, or that Archer dude..who all seem rather honorable. Aside from being on the wrong side of course.

Zodd is pretty much the epitome of a Blood Knight, fighting for the sake of fighting [worthy opponents]. And just like the usual Blood Knight, he will not kill an enemy that is otherwise a worthy opponent but at the time hindered from fighting by virtue of his wounds, or some such. As seen when they fought Gashnika, and Zodd and his demons didn't fight Guts (as long as Guts wouldn't try to go at Griffith) because Guts could barely stand at that point.
Zodd likes nothing more than a good fight, and Guts is pretty much the only human being able to give that to him. So therefore Zodd won't fight an almost broken Guts.

There's definitley a difference between being good and being honorable. Guts is the good guy, has a good heart, doesn't side with the bad guys, but he sure as hell isn't honorable by any sort of knightly medieval standards. The guy ignored nobles left right and centre, and that's not considered very noble. These characters beg the question of what is good, and if being honorable is being good. I personally think its just and archaic code of conduct for men too scared to make their own life decisions.

Well it's a crapsack world and Guts is pretty much the definition of an Antihero, so yeah. Also, good is not nice

[Rolos]

Of course, Zodd = Gutz.

I don't think any member of the Neo Hawks classifies as an equivalent for Gutts.
Sure, he seems to be Griffith's right-hand man, but their relation is completely different.
Zodd could get killed a thousand times and Griffith wouldn't feel a thing. Sure, he would probably acknowledge it as a great loss, after all, Zodd is very useful to him, but that's about it.
In the original band of the hawk, everyone knew Griffith would go out of his way to protect Gutts, even if it went in direct contradiction to whatever he was scheming.
They all saw how, from the very beginning, Gutts was the only one who treated Griffith as a fellow human, not just some untouchable saint or hero.
In the Neo-Band of the Hawk, only Sonia has a relation with Griffith that could be considered remotely similar.

So, int the Neo Hawks, Zodd + Sonia = Gutts



PD: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SugarBowl (I couldn't stop laughing....just imagine Gutts trapped in a world like that)

[turkey]

PD: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SugarBowl (I couldn't stop laughing....just imagine Gutts trapped in a world like that)

What, Candyland? Well, just picture candeyland, add copious amounts of violence and rape and you will get the picture lol

and on the question of whether Guts is inherently good or bad, neither. Realistically, a warrior of his caliber that kills people so easily and in such a gruesome manner would be a very cold blooded monster, the kind of guy that can laugh as he tears someone apart. I don't think Miura would get very far in the story with that kind of character, so he gives him a different personality. In some cases I see him in a evil light, where at other times I see him as more light hearted. He stil has the ability to love and enjoy being the nice guy, but clearly, it wouldn't upset him if he killed a bunch of children or raped women, unless he formed a bond with them. That is just the world he lives in.

[The Prince]

Of course, Zodd = Gutz.

I don't think any member of the Neo Hawks classifies as an equivalent for Gutts.
Sure, he seems to be Griffith's right-hand man, but their relation is completely different.
Zodd could get killed a thousand times and Griffith wouldn't feel a thing. Sure, he would probably acknowledge it as a great loss, after all, Zodd is very useful to him, but that's about it.
In the original band of the hawk, everyone knew Griffith would go out of his way to protect Gutts, even if it went in direct contradiction to whatever he was scheming.
They all saw how, from the very beginning, Gutts was the only one who treated Griffith as a fellow human, not just some untouchable saint or hero.
In the Neo-Band of the Hawk, only Sonia has a relation with Griffith that could be considered remotely similar.

So, int the Neo Hawks, Zodd + Sonia = Gutts



PD: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SugarBowl (I couldn't stop laughing....just imagine Gutts trapped in a world like that)

Though they may not have the same relationship, I see Zodd definitely sharing certain similarities to Guts in regards to his role that he serves under Griffith.

And I wouldn't say Griffith went out of his way to protect Guts, considering he put Guts on the front-line of basically every campaign.....along with making Guts handle all his dirty work. Of course realizing how important Guts was to him as a soldier (and perhaps even friend), Griffith did show a willingness to put himself in harms way to keep from losing him (e.g. 1st raid and 1st encounter with Zodd, and 1st/2nd duels with Guts). But I wouldn't classifying any of that as being protective....

P.S: I honestly don't think Griffith gives one flying f#ck about Sonia.

[Rolos]

Of course, Zodd = Gutz.

I don't think any member of the Neo Hawks classifies as an equivalent for Gutts.
Sure, he seems to be Griffith's right-hand man, but their relation is completely different.
Zodd could get killed a thousand times and Griffith wouldn't feel a thing. Sure, he would probably acknowledge it as a great loss, after all, Zodd is very useful to him, but that's about it.
In the original band of the hawk, everyone knew Griffith would go out of his way to protect Gutts, even if it went in direct contradiction to whatever he was scheming.
They all saw how, from the very beginning, Gutts was the only one who treated Griffith as a fellow human, not just some untouchable saint or hero.
In the Neo-Band of the Hawk, only Sonia has a relation with Griffith that could be considered remotely similar.

So, int the Neo Hawks, Zodd + Sonia = Gutts



PD: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SugarBowl (I couldn't stop laughing....just imagine Gutts trapped in a world like that)

Though they may not have the same relationship, I see Zodd definitely sharing certain similarities to Guts in regards to his role that he serves under Griffith.

And I wouldn't say Griffith went out of his way to protect Guts, considering he put Guts on the front-line of basically every campaign.....along with making Guts handle all his dirty work. Of course realizing how important Guts was to him as a soldier (and perhaps even friend), Griffith did show a willingness to put himself in harms way to keep from losing him (e.g. 1st raid and 1st encounter with Zodd, and 1st/2nd duels with Guts). But I wouldn't classifying any of that as being protective....

P.S: I honestly don't think Griffith gives one flying f#ck about Sonia.

Well, the way I see it, he asked Gutts to do all those things because he trusted him.
My point was that Gutts and Griffith were practically pals, and that Griffith genuinely cared for Gutts well-being, he didn't put himself in harm's way just because he considered Gutts to be useful.

I agree with you on the Sonia part, its kinda obvious for everyone outside the story that Griffith doesn't give a shit about her, but keeps her close because she is useful to him.
The one thing their relation has in common is that she treats him with familiarity, something no other member of the Neo-Hawks would dare to do.

Let me put it this way:

Gutts = Familiarity + Right-hand man = pal

Sonia = Familiarity = close follower

Zodd = Right hand man = close follower

[dialdfordesi]

I agree with Rolos. While in the beginning Griffith says he wants to protect Guts because Guts is useful, Griffith does try to bond with Guts. It happens all throughout the manga, from the naked water fight to sending Guts to kill the king's brother. It may be because Guts was the only one that wasn't blinded by Griffith's splendor (possibly because he falls out of the realm of causality?).

As for a stupid theory, Guts' wolf form will take over completely and Femto will subdue Guts through the morbid use of peanut butter.