but that's no big problem as long as they don't get voted into the parlainment
Pedophiles to launch political party in The Netherlands
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Skullkracker
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I think the main reason which makes it wrong for a old person to have sex with a young person is the whole attitude it gets from the rest of the society. The emotional harm to, say, a 12 year old who has sex with a 60 year old does not necessarily come from the act it self, but it will definitely come later when other people find out about it. And, as long as that is the case the older part will never be justified, as he/she is (or should be) fully aware of the social implications for the younger part.
That said I think the political party in question has all rights to exist. They are voicing their opinion, as they should in a healthy democratic state.
That said I think the political party in question has all rights to exist. They are voicing their opinion, as they should in a healthy democratic state.
I don't agree with this whole thing of a pedophile party forming.
I have a couple of questions, which would probably be better answered if a pedophile answers. These aren purely based on nothing but my own ideas which I'm TRYING to make objective.
Why would one be attracted to a much younger person than someone of their own age? Is it because of a lack of self esteem in approaching someone of similar age? Do they get an exhilarating feeling of dominance as someone else mentioned? Are some of the young people already mature? (if it was this reason, then I suppose their party forming is sort of justified, though I would personally be against it, especially since every pedophile relationship can't be like that. Not everyone is mature in the teens) Is it because they are simply in love? If they are, then whats the harm in waiting, especially since the kid may change his/her mind as he/she gets older. If the older individual is simply just attracted to the younger one, is it mutual? Even if it's mutual, what the younger person says can't always be trusted since the teen years in particular can be a turbulent time in shaping one's identity.
I suppose in the end, it should go on an individual basis, but i don't think I need to even go over the problems with that idea.
Like someone said I don't really hear about what the younger individuals have to say about this. It's just the older ones.
These questions and answers are only to provide food for thought. I don't know if it furthered the discussion topic, but that wasn't my intention. just wanted to something stirring.
I have a couple of questions, which would probably be better answered if a pedophile answers. These aren purely based on nothing but my own ideas which I'm TRYING to make objective.
Why would one be attracted to a much younger person than someone of their own age? Is it because of a lack of self esteem in approaching someone of similar age? Do they get an exhilarating feeling of dominance as someone else mentioned? Are some of the young people already mature? (if it was this reason, then I suppose their party forming is sort of justified, though I would personally be against it, especially since every pedophile relationship can't be like that. Not everyone is mature in the teens) Is it because they are simply in love? If they are, then whats the harm in waiting, especially since the kid may change his/her mind as he/she gets older. If the older individual is simply just attracted to the younger one, is it mutual? Even if it's mutual, what the younger person says can't always be trusted since the teen years in particular can be a turbulent time in shaping one's identity.
I suppose in the end, it should go on an individual basis, but i don't think I need to even go over the problems with that idea.
Like someone said I don't really hear about what the younger individuals have to say about this. It's just the older ones.
These questions and answers are only to provide food for thought. I don't know if it furthered the discussion topic, but that wasn't my intention. just wanted to something stirring.
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MPD Psycho
- imanewbie
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Can`t see how locking the bastards up is ignoring the problem.If they just let them hang out on the streets, that`s ignoring the problem to me.*high five*
Thanks for contributing your narrow-minded point of view to the thread. You have brought a new line of thinking to the table.
Just because you see something as sick and wrong, doesn't mean the answer is to lock up said group and throw away the key. I mean, ignoring the problem... that works all the time, right?
But that`s not as imortant as this:
Don`t know bout his line but by my line if someone becomes a threat to me or other people on any level he has got to be locked away. If this "threat" means "possibility to kill" than that person has to be killed.By your line, people that continually return to drug use (which, by the way, is impacted by their environment) should also just be thrown in jail forever. See also alcoholics (bars/pubs/et. al are some of the only establishments to BOOM during an economic depression).
But let`s keep to the topic.
It`s all abot controll. How many times I wanted to have something but didn`t steal it or to when I needed to surface my anger by smashing some fucker`s face, but i didn`t do it.That`s what makes me human. I don`t let my urges blind my reasoning.
If someone is born/develops some sort of sexual deviation that in some way can be harmful to others than he has to fight it.If he/she isn`t capable of doing so than there is no other way than separating this person from society. By locking them away or killing them.Plain and Simple.
I have this feeling that some years ago some things were obvious and didn`t need explaining. Pedophilia was "bad", killing was "bad, rape was "bad".
But suddenly it isn`t as clear to some. They start thinking if maybe on some levels pedophilia can be justified. And that`s all there needs to be for this sickness to spread. The moment we start thinking why it`s bad or when it would be justified the normality will be lost.This is wrong and sick. Always.
As for the drugs and stuff, all i have to say is "HaHahahahAhahaa".
I have got no mercy for junkies. Let them die any time they want. I can pity someone who has beed addicted by others. But honestly, how may people have beed taking drugs against their will?
Has anyone said "Hey, kids, it`s 110% safe"? No one. Everyone knows how it works. It`s not impacted by environment (not entirely), but lack of strong will. That`s all there is to it.
If someone addicted can harm me or sombd. else to get the money for another shot because his percepcion/reasoning is clouded by "hunger" than why should I take the risk?? I refuse to.
Cheers
Wow you managed to call my parents, my wifes parents and grandparents, and numerious other's folks 'sick'? Congradulations.MPD Psycho wrote:And that`s all there needs to be for this sickness to spread. The moment we start thinking why it`s bad or when it would be justified the normality will be lost.This is wrong and sick. Always.
As vtwahoo pointed out about her folks, my grandparents married when the age difference was 6 years but she was 14 and he was 20. Did I just try to justify it, I sure as hell did. Is that sick? No, it is not.
Be careful with absolutes or you will have your ass handed to you.
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MPD Psycho
- imanewbie
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Yes, I am capable of many things.Wow you managed to call my parents, my wifes parents and grandparents, and numerious other's folks 'sick'? Congradulations.
But to be honest It wasn`t my intention to insult you or anyone in your family etc etc. Don`t threaten me, please.
Whan I wrote what I wrote I was more thinking about 60lyr old guys fucking 8-yr olds and stuff or cuming on newborns face. And I still find that sick.
But I`m not so sure what to think about situation where there are two young people like 14 and 16 years old. If they know each other well and both are aware of all aspects of their relationship than guess we can discuss if it`s ok or not.
But by "pedophilia" I mean - Elder person taking advantage of younger`s trust and lack of knowledge. Forcing sexual acts, psychical harassment. Like "I`ll tell your mommy that you were a bad girl ad she`ll be sad and she`ll die. unless you touch me there and ther. ...uhhh..yeah that`s nice"
type of shit. "Taking Advantage" seems to be fundamental here.
I don`t think any sort of THAT stuff happened in your family.....or your wife`s family. Or your neighbour`s dog`s family. (yes, I am trying to be funny)
Guess I didn`t make myself clear last time (no irony here). So, once again: If there is really a relationship that`s based on trust, equality and true love and not intent to fulfill sexuall urges than I wouldn`t call that pedophilia.
Can see that you`re a talented man yourself.Insulting entire population in one sentence can`t compare to handing me my own ass....Be careful with absolutes or you will have your ass handed to you.
No hard feelings,
cheers
*nods* No hard feelings.
THe real problem is that what you are advancing is that pedophilia is exclusive to the realm of rape and taking advantage of minors, which granted, there are some cases that is true. But the problem is that pedophilia isn't always about rape or taking advantage.
While we can't possibly fathom the mentality of the Greeks for example, they created many great things. They also did many things that we of modern times would find repulsive, one of those would be the lifestyle of older men typically of 40 and 50 years of age to take under their wing 6-16 year olds and teach them a trade, craft, profession, and love of fellow men. Pederasty was integral part of social life in Athens greece, in fifth and fourth-century.
The only reason we have laws in the USA that target pedophilia is to protect minors. That is why drawing, painting, creating and collecting fake child porn is not illegal, as the creation of said material did involve a minor.
The problem comes down to this, pedophilia is the older person's sexual primary preference to younger persons, the push in North America and in specifically in Holland is to lower the age of consent.
Those who are progressive in this area point to Japan who's national age of consent is 13.
It also comes down to said consent and the age in which the average person is able to understand what they are getting themselves into. If the consent isn't given, then it is rape.
As for my own opinion on the matter, individuals have every right to try to change the laws. That is the beauty of democracy, however there will be others, including myself that will the first to point out that 8 year old can't possibly understand 'consent' and will point to evidence to support that.
We are a nation of laws, no lynching.
Let us look at what they are proposing:
The USA already has a law about this, and has been upheld many times. Only fake pedo-porn is legal, anything else (created, traded, sold) is forbidden.
2) allow porno to be broadcasted on daytime television.
If I pay for with my money, then hell yes. However, using tax dollars to do that is a waste imho. I want more PBS, TLC, and Animal Planet.
3) Toddlers should be given sex education
I would want my kids to know about sex as soon as possible so that they can say 'no' to strangers and that it isn't appropriate for them yet. Avoiding sex education is just wrong.
4) youths aged 16 and up should be allowed to appear in pornographic films and prostitute themselves
It works in Japan and other countries. Japan also has lower crime-rate that is linked to this.
5) sex with animals should be allowed although abuse of animals should remain illegal
If an animal (humans are animals too) can't indicate yes or no, then it is abuse.
That is called rape and we have laws for that.Forcing sexual acts, psychical harassment.
THe real problem is that what you are advancing is that pedophilia is exclusive to the realm of rape and taking advantage of minors, which granted, there are some cases that is true. But the problem is that pedophilia isn't always about rape or taking advantage.
While we can't possibly fathom the mentality of the Greeks for example, they created many great things. They also did many things that we of modern times would find repulsive, one of those would be the lifestyle of older men typically of 40 and 50 years of age to take under their wing 6-16 year olds and teach them a trade, craft, profession, and love of fellow men. Pederasty was integral part of social life in Athens greece, in fifth and fourth-century.
The only reason we have laws in the USA that target pedophilia is to protect minors. That is why drawing, painting, creating and collecting fake child porn is not illegal, as the creation of said material did involve a minor.
The problem comes down to this, pedophilia is the older person's sexual primary preference to younger persons, the push in North America and in specifically in Holland is to lower the age of consent.
Those who are progressive in this area point to Japan who's national age of consent is 13.
It also comes down to said consent and the age in which the average person is able to understand what they are getting themselves into. If the consent isn't given, then it is rape.
As for my own opinion on the matter, individuals have every right to try to change the laws. That is the beauty of democracy, however there will be others, including myself that will the first to point out that 8 year old can't possibly understand 'consent' and will point to evidence to support that.
We are a nation of laws, no lynching.
Let us look at what they are proposing:
1) child porn to be allowed, but ban on trade of such material.The party wants private possession of child pornography to be allowed although it supports the ban on the trade of such materials. It also supports allowing pornography to be broadcast on daytime television, with only violent pornography limited to the late evening.
Toddlers should be given sex education and youths aged 16 and up should be allowed to appear in pornographic films and prostitute themselves. Sex with animals should be allowed although abuse of animals should remain illegal, the NVD said.
The USA already has a law about this, and has been upheld many times. Only fake pedo-porn is legal, anything else (created, traded, sold) is forbidden.
2) allow porno to be broadcasted on daytime television.
If I pay for with my money, then hell yes. However, using tax dollars to do that is a waste imho. I want more PBS, TLC, and Animal Planet.
3) Toddlers should be given sex education
I would want my kids to know about sex as soon as possible so that they can say 'no' to strangers and that it isn't appropriate for them yet. Avoiding sex education is just wrong.
4) youths aged 16 and up should be allowed to appear in pornographic films and prostitute themselves
It works in Japan and other countries. Japan also has lower crime-rate that is linked to this.
5) sex with animals should be allowed although abuse of animals should remain illegal
If an animal (humans are animals too) can't indicate yes or no, then it is abuse.