Battle Angel Alita

Post by **Libaax** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 6:11 pm

Obs my bad i tend to mix mangas from DH and VIZ.

Post by **Fuji Nagase** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 7:41 am

no problem.

Post by **crazyankan** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 1:08 pm

And ofcourse i ordered wrong BAA LO. So now I got 2 BAA LO 04

So now I haft to go to the city to fix my manga beloved BAA LO 06.

Post by **Fuji Nagase** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 11:41 pm

so, what do u guys think of LO anyway?

Post by **Grahf** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 3:36 am

ITs sick. The only problem is the long wait inbetween releases.

Post by **Brainpiercing** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 10:13 am

I think it lives up to old Alita without problems. In fact the artwork is even more stunning.

Post by **Libaax** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 12:24 pm

LO is even better than the other BAA manga.

Its is soo sweet cause its rare among mangas that you see sci fi manga like this specialy with a strong female character. Lets faced there arent many female leads like Alita.

The Slowness is killing me but what can you.

Post by **crazyankan** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:55 pm

I like LO alot. But I think it´s one of the best mangas out in the market. But then volume 8 came out, and I really hate that volume.

Post by **Fuji Nagase** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 5:22 am

wow, i didnt know so many of you likd it so much. i personally arn't much of a LO fan. ill read it and i enjoy it, but i actually dont like the artwork as much as in reg BAA. i really am just partial to fig. four, yugo, doc ido, and the scarpyard. in truth, i always wanted to know more about her, and at the time i finished BAA i really wanted there to be another seris. but when i read aqua knights, i really lost some faith in kishiro. when he went back to alita, it seemed to me like he couldnt make another succesfull comic, so he continued BAA. i think he did much better than any other mangaka, in terms of sequal(type thing) but i dont see the same personality of alita in the LO as i admired in BAA.

I really love Zechs though. he (was she) is fucking badass! i will always love kishiros work and continue to support it, but i am not really a fan of LO, in comparing to the orig. BAA.

when i was younger and i read BAA, i thought that there was so much truth in her thoughts and a great reality in how things happened. of course, i loved the bloodbath, and the gorgeous art, but what struck me then was that she had the "real person" aspect to her. now she seems very programed in her personality. i feel like i already know what she'll say. (bad)

of course, i will ALWAYS love alita, be her a terroist from mars, tuned to tiphares, a bounty hunter, or whatever.

Post by **Brainpiercing** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 9:38 am

You're probably right, Fuji. The new Alita doesn't have quite the same realistic human quality as the old one. But then, people also change, and it could pass off as a change of character, even though a weird one.

Well, whatever, I still have to get vol. 6 somewhere...

Post by **Libaax** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:59 am

crazyankan wrote:I like LO alot. But I think it´s one of the best mangas out in the market. But then volume 8 came out, and I really hate that volume.

Are you talking about vol 8 of LO or the first manga?

Post by **crazyankan** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 10:55 am

Libaax wrote:
crazyankan wrote:I like LO alot. But I think it´s one of the best mangas out in the market. But then volume 8 came out, and I really hate that volume.
Are you talking about vol 8 of LO or the first manga?

LO 8

Post by **Fuji Nagase** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 6:11 am

how far are they in LO anyway?

Post by **crazyankan** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 12:03 pm

Kishiro has created 52 chapters of Last Order.
Vol 1. 1-6
Vol 2 7-12
Vol 3 13-18
Vol 4 19-24
Vol 5 25-31
Vol 6 32-37(The lastest volume in english)
Vol 7 38-45(I think)
Vol 8 46-52/or 53(And that volume comes out soon in Japan.

Post by **Fuji Nagase** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:57 am

i see

Post by **Grahf** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 1:37 pm

Fuji Nagase wrote:when i was younger and i read BAA, i thought that there was so much truth in her thoughts and a great reality in how things happened. of course, i loved the bloodbath, and the gorgeous art, but what struck me then was that she had the "real person" aspect to her. now she seems very programed in her personality. i feel like i already know what she'll say. (bad)

You know I've been trying think about what you're saying and really it makes no sense to me. Perhaps when you were younger you related well to Alita because in her thoughts she was a child. Things she experienced where how a child would experience them. The death of a loved one she was badly shaken up because to her knowledge that was the first death she had dealt with.

She also had only to deal with herself as Alita. She had to solidfy herself as Alita before she was able to move on. When she died at the end of BAA she was headed back to Figure Four to live with him. That would have probably been the end of all the fighting for her. But now she is back and that "death" has brought back more of Yoko's Memories and experiences. This is something that only "Adult Alita" can handle. Perhaps she seems programed because you've seen what she has had to deal with in the first series. You've seen her grow up and now that she is an "Adult Alita" she is more stable and her motivation and answers to things are one that an "adult" would come up with.

Errmm I've my thoughts but thats how I see it. Alita's character is just fine in Last Order she is just mature from how I see it. Wanting to save a friend that she didn't appriecate as much as she should have when she was around. As well as finding out about herself (Yoko).

Post by **Albator** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 12:51 am

Hello everybody, 1st post here it comes.
Art of the new manga is stunning all right, my problem is elsewhere: I thought that Kishiro would focus more on Gally discovering what kind of person she was 200 years ago and how it goes again her actual self and values (if it does). Kishiro keep showing Gally discovering truth about herself, which is OK, but since the beginning of LO it's a pretext to powerup the imaginos body, which start getting old. But Kaelhula and secks rocks!

Post by **Libaax** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 1:14 am

I hate that name Gally

But your right it would much better if the story focused on her past.

Post by **Albator** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 2:55 am

Had the same impression when I got my greedy hands on the english version, Alita!?!
I always wondered though, what is the correct name for her?

Post by **Grahf** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:49 am

well as long as they remain consistant and have the flashbacks along with the power ups. XD

Post by **Fuji Nagase** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:34 am

Grahf wrote:
Fuji Nagase wrote:when i was younger and i read BAA, i thought that there was so much truth in her thoughts and a great reality in how things happened. of course, i loved the bloodbath, and the gorgeous art, but what struck me then was that she had the "real person" aspect to her. now she seems very programed in her personality. i feel like i already know what she'll say. (bad)
You know I've been trying think about what you're saying and really it makes no sense to me. Perhaps when you were younger you related well to Alita because in her thoughts she was a child. Things she experienced where how a child would experience them. The death of a loved one she was badly shaken up because to her knowledge that was the first death she had dealt with.

She also had only to deal with herself as Alita. She had to solidfy herself as Alita before she was able to move on. When she died at the end of BAA she was headed back to Figure Four to live with him. That would have probably been the end of all the fighting for her. But now she is back and that "death" has brought back more of Yoko's Memories and experiences. This is something that only "Adult Alita" can handle. Perhaps she seems programed because you've seen what she has had to deal with in the first series. You've seen her grow up and now that she is an "Adult Alita" she is more stable and her motivation and answers to things are one that an "adult" would come up with.

Errmm I've my thoughts but thats how I see it. Alita's character is just fine in Last Order she is just mature from how I see it. Wanting to save a friend that she didn't appriecate as much as she should have when she was around. As well as finding out about herself (Yoko).

id have to respectfully disagree. my argument about the org. alita books being better than LO wasnt just about her innocent learning self. i felt the same way about her at the end of the seris. she is about at the same place as she is in LO, maybe a few years younger, right? i dont really think it's a maturity thing. i just dont see the point in her character anymore. she doesnt grow, or anything. people are always changing, so why isnt she? all there is now, is the want to know about her past.

i think u figured out what u needed to at the orig. ending of alita. i think she was plenty "adult" when the orig. story ended. dont you? of course it started as her being very young, but it ended with her being at least 25+.
started at 15(ish) + motorball (+1-2 years?) then to the scapyard for a while (+1 year maybe) + tuned to tiphares 10 years. (so says the book)

so i find us to a disagreement. im glad! your opinions are very interesting. i never thought about LO in that way.

-and btw, gally and alita are both correct. the names were different depending on if you are reading GUNNM or battle angel alita. and i think in the anime, they use gally. correct me if im wrong, im not 100% sure about this.

Post by **Albator** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:09 am

Well I'm not sure 2 names for the same character can be correct, doesn't matter though.
Kishiro can still draw and built characters, since the new cast is pretty appealing to me, but he lost some of the storywriting part. He wants Gally to discover her former self, and he's going straight to it and patch the story on the way. Like the 1st 7-8 vol were actually a built up to go to Tiphaeres (Salem), and Alita only spend like 2 LO vol in there. Kishiro then send her straight to space (no built up for that) just because her past lay there. I don't kow if it's rushing, fanservice or if he actually have a plan.

Post by **Fuji Nagase** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:35 am

im sure he has a plan. kishiro i think is like that. he planned a lot of orig. battle angel out. she was actually orig. gonna be a space cop on mars. and i an fairly sure that depending ont he anime and the particular manga of alita u read, her name changes. thats just how it is. in the raw LO they call her by gally, but i think in raw battle angel they call her alita. in raw GUNNM, its gally agian i think. and in the anime its gally also. its not that i dont like LO, i actually really do. but i just like the orig. better. my fav. character is by far sechs right now. hes so kick ass. i think its interesting that he changed from alita's body to his now macho body. but it was a subtle transition, and very natural. zwolf and elf ro whatever really piss me off though. kishiro is an amazing artist, and can do fight scenes like no other, and his characters are indeed high quality.

Post by **Albator** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 2:30 pm

Where did you get that she was supposed to be a space cop? All that I was able to gather so far is that she used to be a terrorist (or a resistant, whatever side your on).
Elf and Swolf are annoying because they didn't have any character development so far, they're just....there. Hopefully it will change, because to me each clone of Gally represent a side of her personality, so it deserve development.

Post by **Fuji Nagase** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 10:01 am

it was in an interview with kishiro. that was the origanal plan for her character/manga to begin with. but it slowly changed as u can tell.

i hope elf and zwolf get better too. kishiro is cool, so im sure he'll do something to make them more likable.