ucrzymofo87 wrote:You're living in fantasy land if you think that anyone has had their constitutional rights violated.
Ok, it's time for Professor Killfile to get to work on your undereducated self so that you can understand how real research in the real world is done. Sit down and try to pay attention and you just might learn something.
When you want to make a point you do it with facts. You provide information, sources and data from reputable experts and news sources. You cite those sources, idealy with a link where possible, but at least with a name, so that those of us who might want to question your conclusions can verify the authenticity of your data.
I understand that this is hard for an ideologue to grasp.
When responding to something you disagree with, you should look first at whatever sources were cited and point out whatever flaws may exist in those sources. Then you should construct your own argument, pulling from the afforementioned reputable sources in an attempt to show that disagreement exists about a point of logic.
This sort of argument will render the counterpoints of most blithering idiots irrelevant, and they will respond with (and I'm just going to use a hypothetical example of what such an intelectual midget might say) "You're living in fantasy land."
ucrzymofo87 wrote:
And yes, it is diatribe when you compare conservatism to the Nazis as in your last quote.
I'm not suggesting that people are being hauled off to death camps, but that the idea of objecting to civil infringement only when it directly affects you is short sighted. I'm comparing your point of view to that of the complacent German people who got screwed by the Nazis in the long run. No one is calling anyone a Nazi. You're not going to Godwin your way out of this.
ucrzymofo87 wrote:
You're living in a dream world. You act as if people were being rounded up and thrown in jails because of the color of their skin, religion, or race.
You mean like this?
Polk County deputy was targeting Hispanics
Racial Profiling and Poor Police Work in Rhode Island
nonwhite drivers still were more than twice as likely to be searched as white drivers.
Racial profiling argument rings true
More Giants fans claim racial profiling
You're throwing out hyperboles to get people riled up by saying, "George Bush is violating your constitutional rights!" Again, that is a lie and a baseless invection.
Federal Judges have already ruled key provisions of the PATRIOT Act unconstitutional. This is the TEXTBOOK DEFINITION of "violating constitutional rights." When we say something is unconstitutional, it means that a court could (and in this case DID) overturn it for violating the US constitutional. [
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I think, actually I know, you don't know what freedom is.
Oh, I don't know - maybe freedom includes, but is not limited to, the freedoms laid out for me in the United States Constitution and the Bill of Rights - many of which have been trampled upon by the Bush administration? It's a good thing I don't have a degree in history. That would mean that I've studied in great detail the evolution of the modern democratic state.... oh wait.... I -=do=- have that degree.
If you had your way Saddam Hussein would still be burying thousands of Iraqi citizens in the sand of Iraq.
Like he did when the Reagan administration was in power. Never dare accuse me of wanting to see people suffer and die just to advance your pathetic political points. The value of a human life is beyond measure. I will not abuse my power as an admin on this board, but I will not stand by and let you accuse me of complacency in crimes against humanity either.
Those people who no longer have to live under Saddam know what freedom is. You simply want social freedom where anything and everything is tolerated. That is not base for a structured and viable society.
Wow, I'm stunned. Where did that come from? Oh right, I think you called it "diatribe." Kindly take the time to find out what it is I think before putting words in my mouth. Smearing me on the basis of my personal morals which you have no knowledge of is unacceptable. To give you a taste of your own medicine, I'll begin telling lies about you. This is an example lie (remember, this is a lie): ucrzymofo87 is racist. He hates black people and wants to reinstate Jim Crowe laws. What a bastard. What kind of jerk thinks that segregation was a good idea? (Remember, that was a lie).
Thank God we have a President who understands the nature of the enemy we face.
You mean like Clinton did when he launched air strikes against Bin Laden and the right accused him of trying to distract the country from the Lewinski scandal? That kind of president?
I think an important fact that people often forget is that THESE PEOPLE WANT TO KILL US. They cannot be talked to, They cannot be reasoned with. They have to be fought.
Textbook definition of an enemy. It's good that you're hear to tell us these things. It's not like the United States has
ever fought a freaking war before.
If you had your way you would gut the military, and leave us more vulnerable to attack.
Once again, you're telling lies about me. Here's one about you. Ucrzymofo87 is a cross dressing necrophiliac. He just loves to put on his slinky red dress and four inch spike heals before heading over to the grave yard to dig up tonight’s "date" (remember, that's a lie).
And this is why liberals cannot be trusted to defend our national security. Look back the Clinton and Carter years and see what miserable failures they were in defending America from attack and humiliation.
Yea, that Clinton -- never mind that it was the smaller, quicker, faster Clinton military that allowed Rhumsfeld to deploy on two fronts in Iraq and Afghanistan. Never mind that under Clinton many aspects of our military that were outmoded or no longer needed were cut away to make a more streamlined machine.
In Mogadishu and Tehran we were humiliated and defeated, and those actions emboldened those who wished to do us harm. If they continue to run on a policy of weakness on national security, they will continue to lose election after election.
I'm sure that it was Tehran and not the part where we trained and equipped Al Qaeda under Reagan that emboldened "those who wish to do us harm".
Start citing sources and get a clue. If you want to make this about Iraq we can do that and I'll
continue to school you on that too. And never, ever, ever suggest that I am complacent to human death and suffering. You want to argue? That's fine. But I will not tolerate disgusting accusations like that from anyone.
