Jack Thompson... a royal fuck ass?? You decide...

[halfnhalf]

Ok, if you dont know, Jack(ass) here was the one who made GTA:SA turn from M to Adults only. And he doesnt stop there.


http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/07/22 ... 29609.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/02/ ... 6446.shtml

if you want to fuck with him..

http://www.stopkill.com/

and... shorten verison if you want to send him some hate. http://thompsonlol.ytmnd.com/

[Femto]

Seriously, who gives a shit anymore?

Are you expecting us to send bitching and complaining letters to him? This issue has been beaten like a dead horse and the gaming industry is not going to change just because San Andreas got a freakin' AO rating. Idiots like this dude will always have issues with whatever they can land a blame on for their problems, it's not like that's ever going to change, so we might as well stop sounding like whining whores and just play our goddamn games. Everybody and their mother has SA by now anyway and, for those that don't, it's not like you won't be able to buy them online or whatever. It was just a publicity stunt by Take-Two really. Now every stupid kid will want to have 'that game with pornography in it.'

I'm not trying to offend you here, it's just that this issue has gone beyond ridiculous and I was quite happy that this forum had lasted as long as it did without a thread about it. So much for that.

[psi29a]

I agree with femto on the publicity stunt, however what I take issue with is that people get morally objectionable when the topic of sex comes up, but not when you can beat a cop in the face and steal his ride and shoot a hoker in the face. Uh, am I missing something... since when has killing somehow become lesser of a crime than having consentual sex? If we are to take 'their' side on the issue and say that yes, the game is a simulator... then it is ok for us to train our kids to kill shit, however we aren't allowed to see tits?

The priorities of this are just absurd.

[Necromancer]

We had that in the old woman thread before.
The logic is weird. But as long as it's not germany I don't really care.

[Buzkashi]

Sall gravy cause I dont play GTA anyways.

[Femto]

Your title says 'E-Thug'.

[Buzkashi]

Your title says 'E-Thug'.

Im quite aware of that.

[halfnhalf]

Then lets lock this thread...

[Killfile]

I'm not sure the thread warrants locking. We've discussed the crazy old lady who's suing for reasons passing all human logic and reason, but what about the decisions made to change the rating of the game for sexual content. What about the inherent moral and value judgments made by our society about sex, violence, and objectionable content? It's a worthwhile discussion - one that's both challenging and rewarding.

Admittedly, we're likely to revert to Grandmabashing, though that's more the fault of posters to the thread than the thread itself.

So I'll start us off -- sexuality, violence, and morality. My take:

George Carlin once said in his "Seven Dirty Words" sketch, that it was interesting the significance we attach to the word "fuck." Many philosophical heavyweights have pointed out that words themselves simply represent ideas, so it's not the word fuck, but the action of fucking - the idea of sexual reproduction - that we find so objectionable. It's thus interesting that we consider the word Fuck to be offensive, hurtful, and vulgar when it is - ultimately, the act which creates life.

Taken another way. How can we reconcile the moral police's willingness to censor speech and content that contains the word "fuck" and at the same time protect the rights of an unborn fetus - ultimately the physical consequence of the very action they find so objectionable.

Why do we consider violence to be so much more preferable than sexual content for children? Is it because we are a violent culture? America has long been heralded as the Rome of the 20th Century, obsessed with violence and death to the point of phycosis. Is it more that we see violence as the exception to a rule - not the other way around?

Given the nature of this forum as a gathering place for individuals who clearly don't have a serious problem with animated and artistic violence and sexuality - I'm curious what you think about these ideas. How does this tie into anime and manga? Are age controls appropriate for these media as well? Even something as mainstream as Ghost in the Shell contains a fair bit of nudity -- but MPAA ratings for Anime are rare - and real child controls for what most of America considers comic books are even rarer.

Other societies (most significantly - to this discussion anyway - Japan) don't place the same significance upon sexual content that the US does. Traveling the commuter trains in Tokyo, I saw otherwise straight laced businessmen reading publications that would make a sailor blush and send John Ashcroft into a catatonic fit. The 10 year old school girls sitting next to me weren't exactly reading Teen People either.

Thoughts? Comments? I know this is a bit long, but I think the thread is worth discussing and want to give you all food for thought.

[Artezul]

More often then not minors ~ adolescents act out whatever they see.

A gun fight could probably be portrayed harmlessly, whereas a sex scene wouldn't be as appropraite for "playtime."

Even though we've seen extreme cases of violence where it has been claimed that people trained through video games (Columbine), but most people would exercise common sense before performing these acts. Or do so harmlessly.

Adolescents, with cultural and peer pressures may be expected to perform. The media, music, etc. portray sex as what defines manhood, or the measure of a man. By then the adolescent usually understands the difference between fantasy and real life, but many can't help 'but' to fantasize about sexual innuendos.

[TheDarkness]

well whatever the case i don't think officials are doing a good job with placing ratings on things.... and i mean that they totally exagerate. Here in Holland we have a system called kijkwijzer that has several logo's and symbols placed on almost anything that is playable or watchebale on a tv/computer. They place a label on pokemon that says that parents are supposed to watch it with their children because if they watch it alone it can be scary. Next it has a symbol mostly seen on horror movies. I mean come on it's pokemon for crying out loud

[Necromancer]

George Carlin once said in his "Seven Dirty Words" sketch, that it was interesting the significance we attach to the word "fuck." Many philosophical heavyweights have pointed out that words themselves simply represent ideas, so it's not the word fuck, but the action of fucking - the idea of sexual reproduction - that we find so objectionable. It's thus interesting that we consider the word Fuck to be offensive, hurtful, and vulgar when it is - ultimately, the act which creates life.

Hehe, I'm proud I don't know any german who says "ficken" the german word for fuck, but there are many gamer and stupid hopper who say "fuck".