Berserk 287 Preview: 水泡 – Sea Foam
» Posted July 9th, 2007 by psi29a
What does she see?
Let the speculation begin!
Edit: 287 raw is in our hands, the hard work begins. You guys are going to fucking love this, it fits so well with the topic of conversation here. ^_^
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July 9th, 2007 at 2:14 pm
Maybe she saw a big fish in the sea… oooor…. the main destination! Elfhelm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 9th, 2007 at 2:36 pm
Hmm….those look an awful lot like squiggly lines to me. Damn my non-bilingual vocabulary….
July 9th, 2007 at 2:43 pm
Mmmh… sea monster maybe?
July 9th, 2007 at 2:58 pm
I prefer not to know – the less I know the grater fun I’ll have finding out.
July 9th, 2007 at 3:01 pm
It’s not the enemy because gutts was kinda’ relaxed. Guess they finally reaches the island… or a maybe she saw a giant jellyfish made of ice-cream. We’ll find out soon enough.
July 9th, 2007 at 3:20 pm
Caska looks like one of the figures there….just alive.
July 9th, 2007 at 3:40 pm
Maybe It’s a Makara, the kushan navy or both…
July 9th, 2007 at 3:56 pm
The astral bodies of the ladies?
July 9th, 2007 at 3:59 pm
It is seasickness! She’s about to throw up
July 9th, 2007 at 4:00 pm
Maybe an unespected ship aproaching…
Or the main destination of the travel…
But I would like it to be a giant sea monster or apostle or something like that, I want to see gutts in a bloody and frenetic battle again. Good old times.
July 9th, 2007 at 6:27 pm
Maybe it’s an Island, but not Elfhelm, just a small island with or without a port….. maybe.
July 9th, 2007 at 7:19 pm
….A seagull -__-
July 9th, 2007 at 7:22 pm
What does she see? is the question…hm…Maybe this is a tricky question. Either way, my answer is she sees nothing!
-Does what it says in the speech bubble have anything to do with finding out what she’s seeing?-
July 9th, 2007 at 7:23 pm
the speech bubble just says “aaau”. The usual casca babble.
July 9th, 2007 at 7:44 pm
Well, “aaau” can mean many things…
It can be a Nazgul, or Griffith naked flying on a winged seahorse…
July 9th, 2007 at 7:44 pm
A seagull? An island? A seamonster? ELFHELM? Whatever it is I can’t wait !
July 9th, 2007 at 7:44 pm
hopefully Elfhelm but more likely an alley ship; that may have Farnese parents who escaped from the Kushan attack; ….probably just a ship
July 9th, 2007 at 8:17 pm
It can’t be a monster, the brand must bleed
July 9th, 2007 at 8:36 pm
the astral bodies of the girls which she shouldn’t be able to see but she’s Caska and weird so she can
July 9th, 2007 at 9:00 pm
obviously she’s about to sneeze.
July 9th, 2007 at 9:10 pm
Man, what about Zetman? I has been a long time since the last release @_@
July 9th, 2007 at 9:35 pm
obviously, she dropped her azumangadaiou into the water
July 9th, 2007 at 10:09 pm
SHE SAW THAT guts has his cannon arm wrapped in bandages, and even she finds that ish strange!!!
July 9th, 2007 at 10:30 pm
She saw a seesaw on the seashore…or air… she could be looking at the air
July 9th, 2007 at 10:45 pm
As for the release; be prepared for delay… the Bon festival is this weekend so it MAY delay the scans…
About the speculations… She sees an island, which resembles Pak’s head.
Phireo
July 9th, 2007 at 10:49 pm
And about teasing the bandaged arm… It is not a mistake. For one, you can clearly see the figure of the cannon arm underneath,…
Phireo
July 10th, 2007 at 12:10 am
that’s how Caska looks all the time. I don’t see what the big deal is.
July 10th, 2007 at 1:19 am
DUUUDE, Read the last page of the latest issue !
she’s looking at Farenese’s & that witch’s astral bodies. but Gatts can’t see them; that’s why he was relaxed
July 10th, 2007 at 2:38 am
agreed ^^
July 10th, 2007 at 2:43 am
Actually I think that Guts just doesn’t give a crud. I mean if they are doing that stuff, it means that they feel safe, and besides his brand is feeling fine. I agree that Caska would be “how did they get up there?” ohhing and awwing though. Personally I was hoping that it was something besides the usuall with Caska (I want her to kick ass again), because it would be ironic if by the time they got to Elfheim she already had recovered her memories.
I mean can’t you see Puck saying something like, “Uhh, well Kingy Elf Sir, I brought this ship of humans here because some of them needed aid, but now it looks like we’re fine, oh and can I be King now Pops?”
July 10th, 2007 at 3:07 am
It doesn’t work with Opera :
http://pix.nofrag.com/84/8a/5310eea078e027b18c2b263954ec.html
I don’t thing she looks at the astral bodies because on the 286′s last page, they are behind guts & casca.
July 10th, 2007 at 7:29 am
before they reach vitrianis , or whatever its called- farneze´s hometown. there is a scene with the diva(the sorceror that guts fought against before ganishka) inside the ship, they talked about a raid they did on some island and that they were succesful, with the exception of losing one of their giant sea demons to mr.x ( i assume the elfking)
it could be that when they get to the island all they´ll see is ash”
July 10th, 2007 at 8:33 am
The “island” he’s talking about in that scene is the mainland Virtanis is located on. When he says the od from one of their sea demons has been cut off, he’s refering to the whalephant Guts has just slain.
July 10th, 2007 at 9:32 am
Still no news about the new Biomega release?!
Please give us some info about the new release. The last one was the 9th of April, more than 4 months ago!!!
July 10th, 2007 at 10:41 am
Why, she saw Domo-kun eating kittens, of course!
-> lode:
Yeah, all they’ll see is Ash… Evil Dead Ash, that is. Then Ash and Guts can have a contest of who can kick the most demonic rear.
July 10th, 2007 at 10:57 am
1 She is just looking at Guts. – may be, or may be not
2 She is definetly not looking at Eflhelm.
Be reasonoble, wast two years Miura was like a snal on reverse gear. They won’t go from the shore to the island in just one chapter! They’ll meat enemies, stuff, things, then Miura will show G for another 10 boring chapters AND then they’ll eventually reach Elfhelm (but not before they kick some more enemies and stuff and things). – definetly will be
3 soon Guts will approach an insane fight between him and a robo-ninja-water-beast-octopus-fire-baby-element-samurai-thing
July 10th, 2007 at 11:50 am
all wrong, she saw that kid of hers…flying
July 10th, 2007 at 12:01 pm
She’s looking at Griffith doing a moonwalk on the water. Naked.
Yarly.
July 10th, 2007 at 12:41 pm
She’s wondering why the ocean is purple and filled with small dancing Dolphins with top hats.
July 10th, 2007 at 12:56 pm
Hm … she is wondering when the new episode will come for us? … =^^+
July 10th, 2007 at 2:56 pm
i hope that she saw a pirate’s or a kushan’s ship so Guts could make some “good old massacre” (of men)…
July 10th, 2007 at 4:42 pm
A) guts metal arm is bandaged because sea water+ salty air = metal corrosion
B) farnese and schierke were behind guts and caska
C)seeing as guts is up and walking about, i think its fair to say they have been on the boat for a while (note: he got a piercing THROUGH the armour, into his chest and electrified + numerous beating in his last battle, compare this to after they fought on the beach…where he had to stay in bed for days) so them arriving at elfhelm doesn’t seem too suprising, and hell, maybe miura realises he dragged out their journey and has some important plot waiting at elfhelm (meaning he would want to avoid random battle filler)
July 10th, 2007 at 5:34 pm
I know!
1. She saw a sea shell seller by the sea shore.
2. She saw Gatts mastrurbating.
3. She saw a big elephant-dolphin-butterfly monster.
4. She is seasick
5. She saw the Straw hat pirates while they are fighting againts Moria and his zombie army.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:02 pm
It looks an awful lot like she has a milk-mustache. Maybe drinking loads of milk could contribute to seasickness and might account for the “aaau”.
Or maybe she wonders why people are flying around in nightgowns and hats holding hands. Arguing that Schierke and Farnese were behind them in the previous chapter doesn’t really say much, since flying people don’t tend to be stationary. Especially when flying over a moving vessel.
Though the Gatts masturbating theory isn’t incredible either.
Bottomline is: DO NOT LIKE WAIT!
July 10th, 2007 at 8:33 pm
WHOA!!!! FUNKENSTEIN!!! thats deep, “ASH VS. GUTS” nice…
and yeah, i’m feening for casca to get her head right!! CUZ LORD KNOWS GUTS NEEDS SOME SWEET SWEET BOOTY!
July 10th, 2007 at 8:55 pm
They’ll meet an armada of battle ships or something like that.
July 10th, 2007 at 11:27 pm
I’m still under the impression that they will encounter the leviathan apostle. Or possibly they hit a major storm and everyone is ship wrecked and strewn about on an Island.
In regards to Caska, I’ve had a weird suspicion that she may just be a plot device for something else to advance the storyline. But I think that Berserk is reaching the point where Miura-sama will have to make some tough decisions which will wind up pissing alot of people off.
July 11th, 2007 at 12:21 am
the guts masturbating theory looks to be the most reasonable one.
July 11th, 2007 at 3:51 am
Cant be Guts.
Cant be Farneze and Silke.
(both cf chap. 286)
Maybe an eclipse
July 11th, 2007 at 6:15 am
Casca will probably turn to griffith’s side once she regain her mind! Her dedication to him was complete.
July 11th, 2007 at 7:05 am
dedication my ass, he sacrificed her, she hate him the most
July 11th, 2007 at 7:41 am
Anybody who says Casca is going to rejoin griffith is stupid.
“oh griffith I just love how you raped me and killed my friends! Do it again pretty pwease”.
The ONLY reason she liked griffith is because she thought he was a good man.
Anyways back on subject. Casca sees a elfhelm.
July 11th, 2007 at 8:32 am
Remember what the skullknight said on the shore
July 11th, 2007 at 8:55 am
ELF HELL lol
July 11th, 2007 at 10:55 am
1) Ship
2) Island
July 11th, 2007 at 11:20 am
Personally, I think Guts needs Caska to pound some scence into his head (he seems to lack it often enough). Besides, in the end I will freely admidt I just want good old Caska back (although I do beleive in the end she will side with Guts). Here is something to think about, she knows Griffith is a @#$(&* right now, and Guts isn’t much better, so mabey she goes for the last remaining member of the Hawks, Rickett!
July 11th, 2007 at 12:36 pm
Mostly she is only mesmerized by being traveling in sea aboard a ship, mostly like any infant would do if it did this kind of trip for the first time.
Enough of that. It’s almost 13th of July and you know what that means: the noob invasion asking for the ch287 and doing stupid things like (trying to) hack or attack the site, because they (the whining “noobs” invaders) are, technically speaking,(as bill Hicks said) “morons” or, more fluently, (as Lewis black eloquently says) “idiots”. Thank evens the majority dies virgin, otherwise mankind would have dark future…
July 11th, 2007 at 1:30 pm
It would be weird to see the old Caska back. I mean up till now she is like a 4 year-old who cant do anything, and by turning back to her bad-ass self that could fight Serpico on even grounds if he didn’t have his magic items, would be kind of weird.
July 11th, 2007 at 1:33 pm
P.S. Caska could side with her kid in the end, if so, which side is that kid on Griffith or Guts?
July 11th, 2007 at 3:03 pm
It would be Griffith’s since he is her kid. The problem is I beleive no one in the party knows that.
I can also see the first thing that Caska would do if she just regained her memory: scream “Nooo!!!!” then promptly hit Guts in the face and/or gut.
July 11th, 2007 at 3:06 pm
She saw a Water type Pokemon, for sure
July 11th, 2007 at 4:38 pm
The theory of Gatsu masturbating is eliminated,… that because Gatsu is usually behind her, watching her.
So… in the end it will become clear that everything was already planned by Griffith the moment he became Phemt/Femto.
He did not hesitate, he deliberately let the Old uncle Skull get away with both Gatsu and Caska. In the end he will join forces with Gatsu (or use him, rather) to kill God (The one in the lost chapter) and become one himself, afterwards, he will either resurrect the Hawks and make peace with Gatsu, kill Gatsu or be killed by him.
Oh, one more thing… What the HEAVEN (Because, nobody would want to be in a place full of old man and woman in slippers. That’s my way to say HELL, by the way) do the answers of the poll mean?
Phireo
July 11th, 2007 at 4:46 pm
I’ll be furious if Caska gets pissed at, or turns on Guts when she regains her memory. Miura did everything he could to make the suffering of Guts and Caska equivalent, so its not as if Guts can blame her for anything more than Caska can blame him. I anticipate that she will just want to live peacefully with Guts and not get back at Griffith. Then again, I wouldn’t exactly be floored to see a newly conscious Caska go more berserk on Griffith than Guts ever was. I’ve wanted Caska to have her own set of the berserker armor ever since it was brought into the story. It could have the heart designs on it like her sword had ;P
July 11th, 2007 at 6:36 pm
I too have the feeling Casca will join Griffith. Most interesting development ! Guts all alone against them. Going mad. Going BERSERK. And it’s Femto who raped Casca… in her eyes, Femto and Griffith may be two different entities. Who knows… Just don’t fuck up, Kentarou.
July 11th, 2007 at 6:40 pm
Also Casca would say something like she understood Griffith had to to what had to be done in order to fullfil his destiny… that the other members of the Hawks would understand as well, that they were all ready to sacrifice themselves and follow Griffith, bla bla bla. She was completely DEVOTED to him. To the point of fanatism. I think the moment she’ll regain her sanity and will speak her feelings about it will be the most anticipated Berserk moment since the Eclipse.
July 11th, 2007 at 7:15 pm
I think she will never recover all of her memory.
It seems to be the easier way
July 11th, 2007 at 7:47 pm
If Casca joins up with Griffitch, Kentarou must have some real balls to do that. Because if he fucks up Berserk’s plot and flow, he’ll get killed by Fans that goes berserker.
July 11th, 2007 at 9:33 pm
If Caska goes Stockholm syndrome, Guts has my full permission whip out the Mario mallet and go to town!
July 11th, 2007 at 9:41 pm
Probably something shiny, maybe a rock.
July 11th, 2007 at 9:50 pm
It was obvious as the story developed that Caska idolized Griffith as a commander, but fell in love with Guts. That, and Guts and Caska are cut from the same fabric. They’re both berserkers, but in different capacities. The more I ponder the circumstances, the more I imagine that she will be deathly angry with Griffith. I think she will probably be bountifully remorseful for not being “with” Guts for his troubles since the eclipse, and realistically she’ll be vengeful for the psychological torment she and Guts experienced during the eclipse. I think that while she will want vengeance, Guts, having had experience with Reborn Griffith since the eclipse, will try to convince her otherwise. After all, she hasn’t had her crack at Griffith yet, so she, in her right mind, would likely want to kill him. I think they will settle for a short time, but Caska will convince Guts and company to seek out and confront Griffith. (Perhaps because of Griffith harming their child. She’s not going to let Griffith off the hook for her rape, and for torturing a powerless Guts. I can’t wait to see her conscious impressions of the “Neo-Guts”.
July 11th, 2007 at 10:03 pm
I believe Miura is trying to lure us into assuming that Caska is now amicable towards Griffith via this post-traumatic state of her psyche. Think of it as a computer crashing and losing all saved data; all of the saved data for this computer is saved on a disc, but for now the computer starts up and runs as if it had none of the original data, or for Caska’s case, memory. Since emotion is contextual, and depends on experiences , it is logical that Caska, renowned for her quick-tempered fiery attitude, will be out for blood upon regaining her memory .
July 12th, 2007 at 1:27 am
Long Live the masturbating Guts theory
July 12th, 2007 at 1:59 am
I agree that Caska is a firey one, however she isn’t a berserker. She is to calm and calculating for that (or at least the old her was). Matter of fact, the one thing that got on her nerves was when other commanders (cough, cough, GUTS, Cough, cough) didn’t use their heads in battle. I won’t argue that she was quick to judge people, but that a berserker does not make.
Now that said, seeing her with some uber-cool magical armour would be perfect. I think something from the Elves perhaps, so a nature theame of acorns and oak leaves or something.
And random stray thought, what would Caska’s “Power Animal” be? Guts is either the wolf or wild dog (can go either way).
July 12th, 2007 at 3:02 am
It’s not necessarily a “Power Animal”, Ranteil.
Remember what the armor’s shape was before Guts fucked it up? A skull/skeleton. I don’t know just what that represented for the previous user (most notably the skullknight), but I think one’s dark side isn’t limited to animals.
That said, if Caska does get her memory back and that she’s bent on fucking Griffith over, it would be hilarious if she’d suddenly slap a huge dose of sense into the face of everybody and they’d all be speechless against her.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:08 am
Guts is a tortured hero. It’s what make him a berserker. Things are going a little bit too well recently for him. Something wrong must happen!
July 12th, 2007 at 6:42 am
oh my god; it suddenly dawned on me how many people in here have no idea whats going on
WHY WOULD CASKA GO BACK TO GRIFFITH?!!
it doesnt make any fucking sense:
A) the only reason she stayed with the band of the hawk before was for the members (jedeau, rickert, etc) and for the thought of SAVING griffith and having him lead them again
B) all the members are dead (save for guts and rickert) due to griffith sacrificing them all to become a demon! AND HE RAPED HER AND TAINTED HER AND GUTS CHILD!!! (and she does know that femto and griffith are the same person, because she even says “griffith?” before he rapes her)
the skullknights warning was NOT about caska joining griffith once her memory was restored, it was about her REMEMBERING THE ECLIPSE and probably trying to kill herself from all the horrible memories clouding her mind
seriously, think these arguments through before you go “OOH that would be an interesting plot twist!”
July 12th, 2007 at 7:12 am
That WOULD be an interesting plot twist. And you’re a moron if you think Casca wasn’t following Griffith because of her fanatism. It had nothing to do with the other members.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:02 am
Maybe Caska could get an armor of the sort that focused on battle clarity then, kind of the polar opposite of Guts’ armor. However, these qualities that you cite of Caska’s are part of Guts’ character. He has evolved much since the eclipse, becoming, when absent of his berserker armor, far more cool and collected, rational and insightful in battle than even Griffith was as commander of the Band. As there are more types of strategist, so too are there multiple forms to the Berserker. Caska is very much like this new Guts; or perhaps, since the eclipse she may have become very different. As far as animal totems go, it seems to me that Caska and Guts are wolves, Serpico is obviously a fox, Shierke is the owl, Isidoro is a monkey (goodness knows he’s had experience as one far too often) I’m not sure of Farnese’s totem, but the others would most likely show true with presence of a magical armor. Why would Caska and Guts be wolves? I think its partially a bit of nostalgia for Kentarou Miura of a certain one of his prior works where even the characters look similar.
BTW, I could see Caska as a Berserker spellcaster (IF she continues to spend so much time around Shierke and Farnese) whereas Guts would clearly be a Berserker swordsman. That, and I really want to see a duel on equal footing between Serpico and Griffith, anyone with half a brain knows why.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:36 am
Caska has been following griffith before the eclipse just because of her fanatism toward him, right. But don’t forget that even if griffith raped her, guts as nearly done the same while being controled by the berserk armor. When she will recover her memory, she will surely turn back on guts too. So, maybe caska’s fanatism toward griffith will once again puts her on griffith’s side since she cannot accept the fact of being alone….
So… I think that, in the end, that puck, alone, will defeat femto and the god hand…
July 12th, 2007 at 8:48 am
That’s horse crap. Griffith took Caska’s child from her; when she recovers her sense of reason, she will immediately comprehend the chain of events. She won’t look kindly on Griffith. Do you remember how accepting she was of Guts when he had his episode during their passion? He became quite violent in his love-making but Caska understood that it was because of Guts’ great deal of stress, and she accepted his feelings. Griffith, however, raped her out of hatred, out of spite for guts and the love that Caska and Guts shared. I think its obvious to whom she will be loyal.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:57 am
Things aren’t that black and white imo. If you reread the “rape” scene you will notice that Casca wasn’t exactly unwilling . Just watch the body language. In the final panels Griffith even released her hands to demonstrate that to Guts and she put them around his head. I don’t mean to say that she wanted this to happen the way it did and in front of Guts but Griffith’s actions forced her to choose and she chose surrender instead of fighting because she still wanted Griffith. This inner struggle and the realization that she was not really wanted but being used to hurt Guts (and ofcourse how much she did hurt him) was what i think broke Casca. So i think that Casca will love and hate Griffith but what will be really interesting is how her relationship with Guts will go when she does remember. She will probably feel extremely guilty for the torment she inflicted upon him during the eclipse and afterwards and she may even distant herself from Guts because of that. Her child will also be a factor that will probably affect her actions. If she remembers that its a part of Griffith, she might go find him, if not, she will probably want to look for it. In the end, there are many possible routes she might follow but straight vengeance is the least possible imo. I don’t doubt that she might try to kill herself when she regains her memories though.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:58 am
You must be proud Psi29a, they are all writing in English(as much as they can, at least).
So, nine more hours until release of YA.
Phireo
July 12th, 2007 at 9:11 am
Reginald, actually Casca never chose Guts over Griffith, she turned to Guts when Griffith wasn’t available. I don’t doubt that she loved Guts, but she loved him like a man and worshiped Griffith like a god. Thats why i always disliked her, idolization is always a dangerous and immature behavior in my book.
July 12th, 2007 at 9:34 am
I thought that it was blatantly obvious from her behavior, but It would seem far fewer people understand than I believed. After she lost her mind in the eclipse, did you notice something different about her behavior? Not her personality or her ego, but her core behavior as a woman. I’ll spell it out for all of you. Her maternal instincts kicked in. When Guts tried to kill her child, she struggled fiercely to stop him, and when she would later see her child, she would do everything within her power to care for her child. Core behavior stays the same regardless of trauma. THAT’S where her ultimate loyalty lies, to her child, and to Guts. Griffith took her child from her, sacrificed its life for his own desire. When regains her sense of self, her memories and her ego, does it not stand to reason that she will comprehend the true depth of Griffith’s actions? Maybe I’m weird, but usually when someone tries to harm a child, the mother takes it a bit personally. BTW, she worshiped Griffith, not Femto. Guts also worshiped Griffith, you see, but all of that changed after the eclipse. Again, nothing more than common knowledge.
July 12th, 2007 at 9:41 am
Also, about Caska being willing during the rape, she was much more of a rational person than Guts in that era, and it wasn’t as if she could have accomplished anything if she had struggled. That, and Femto is the demon of ambition and desire, I wouldn’t doubt if he had the effect on women that Slan can have on men. In fact, even some straight men in the Berserk universe seem intoxicated by Griffith’s “beauty”.
July 12th, 2007 at 9:44 am
I have my feelers out again, looking for Berserk. One gentleman has IMed me offering to do the scanning himself, so we shall see how that turns out.
It remains to be seen how Casca will react if she recovers. If you have ever been in an abusive relationship, or have known others in them, you can see how even after all the terrible stuff they put up with, they will still return back to the cause of their pain.
I tend to agree with Reginald in that Casca has become more maternal, in that instead of giving her life for Griffith who abandoned/betrayed/raped her, she now has her child who is an innocent to protect and live for.
@Phireo: Thanks and we are actually very impressed.
To be clear, the objective was never to enforce English only. You could type in Welsh, German, or anything else that feels more comfortable.
But doesn’t the above read better, cause less frustration, and is easier to translate to other languages than if it where typed in short-hand/gansta/aim notation?
Anywho, keep it up. ^_^;;
July 12th, 2007 at 10:06 am
Am I right or the only one who tried to kill Guts’ and Caska’s child was guts himself? Griffith never attempt anything to hurt that child. I don’t remember griffith sacrificing the child, he just transformed him into a “half-demon/half-human child” and gave him more power. An as far as I know, this child appear only when griffth is near, so the child and Griffith/femto are really bond together. I think that the reaction of caska will depend wether or not she considers the child griffith’s one or guts’ one.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:22 am
1. Griffith deprived the kid of any chance of a normal life, and had incorporated their child in his megalomaniacal and ruthless ambitions
2. The behelit apostle that resurrects Griffith exclaims that the child’s life will end but will bring about the glorious rebirth
3. Griffith, perhaps knowing of the consequences and thus doing so, infects the child growing in Caska’s womb with his demonic seed, thus tainting their child
4. There is no question whose child it is. The Skull Knight made it perfectly obvious, and of all people Caska should very well know whose child it is
5. Guts’ attempt to kill the child upon first sight would most definitely have been a mercy killing/His momentary bloodlust and hatred of Griffith kicking in; it was his impulsive nature, but there was meaning in it
6. What was crueler, Guts’ first attempts to kill the child, or Griffith sadistically incorporating the child in his ambitions?
7. More power to the child? At what cost?
8. The beach cabin chapters show that the child identifies with Caska and Guts, not Griffith. Where was Griffith then? Far away, not “near” Guts or Caska
July 12th, 2007 at 10:29 am
Guts’ reasoning up to the current point of the story has been humanely compassionate, and soundly logical; moreover, every way that he has acted has been utterly rational, we are supposed to be able to immediately identify with him.
Griffith, meanwhile, acts, and this is proven fact, only for his own gain. He is sadistic, ruthless, and monstrously inhuman, incredibly ambivalent to the suffering of others.
Now, whose side is Caska more prone to pick, these truths soon to be obvious to her?
July 12th, 2007 at 10:33 am
Very well explained Reginald…
July 12th, 2007 at 10:46 am
I wanted to quickly interject a little Berserk revelation of mine here, then I’ll be on my way;
Of the rape of Caska, she knew, in that instance, of her deeply buried desires for Griffith, and feared that they would once more flare up because of this experience with Griffith, flare up and bypass the deep love for Guts that she had developed. She thus begged of Guts not to look at her during this inevitable moment because her love for Guts would put her out of her mind upon seeing his torment at her suppressed desires coming to life once more.
Her desires surfaced eventually, Guts was indeed tormented beyond any bodily wound by this scene, and Caska, as a result, indeed was mentally and spiritually shattered upon inflicting such hurt to her lover. I suspect, much as Griffith no longer feels anything for her, Caska no longer feels anything for him.
July 12th, 2007 at 1:42 pm
Griffith never felt anything for Casca , the only person he has ever felt something for was Guts. See though about the rape, thats exactly what i was trying to say. To tell you the truth, i have never experienced so much rage in my life as when i was reading that part.
Anyway , think about it, Casca still desired Griffith after he had chosen to sacrifice all of his men to become a demon and now her child is also a part of him. I don’t think she has the strength of character to completely brake free from him. I hope i get proved wrong though, Guts has suffered more then enough and i also might dislike her a little less.
July 12th, 2007 at 1:44 pm
thank you reginald – finally, someone who understands!
i forgot to mention; even if caska did want griffith to rape her (or whatever nonsense you people are babbling) she would still feel so betrayed by the fact that griffith made her do that in front of guts. griffith completely shamed her, and toyed with her feelings JUST to hurt guts, out of spite (he had reason to sacrifice the hawks, he had no reason except jealousy to do that to guts); in other words caska will realise that she was happy being used by griffith as a weapon to realise his ambition, but not to be used as a weapon against people she loves, for revenge
July 12th, 2007 at 1:47 pm
PS: miura has stated that berserk WILL have a happy ending, if caska chose griff then guts would undoubtedly go apeshit and go directly after griffith, leading to his death (he cant win at the moment), and thats not happy at all
July 12th, 2007 at 2:14 pm
Choosing???? We are not talking about Beverly Hills … I just said that Casca is unlikely to completely break free from Griffith just because her memories have returned. She will have to mature as a person to do that.
As for Miura’s statement, you do realise that what anyone considers a happy ending is subjective ?
July 12th, 2007 at 2:17 pm
This is not what I heard. I heard he said the ending was not gonna be negative. Did he used the words “HAPPY ENDING?”. I’m not so sure. And that doesnt mean Casca will “choose” Griffith or Guts. She could very well pick Griffith, leaving Guts into desperation for a few volumes, only to be redeemed in the end. Or she could only decide to leave Guts to live her own life… start all over again… which Guts wouldn’t understand. Do you really think Casca and Guts will get rid of Griffith and then raise their baby in the little house nearby a waterfall and live happily ever after? Do you really think so? Do you think such an ending would fit in the world of Berserk? I sure don’t. And being a tragic antihero, I’m pretty confident Guts will perish as well. Perish as a hero from his wounds, maybe to save Casca and his son, but perish still. Maybe to become another entity, another Skullknight, who will keep an eye on her, who knows… But Guts and Casca making a bunch of babies and rejoicing over Griffith”s decapitated head… the “HAPPY ENDING”… I just don’t see it happening. And I certainly don’t see where “Miura said happy ending” certifies Casca won’t go with Griffith once her memory recovered. It’s not the end of the manga yet.
July 12th, 2007 at 2:20 pm
I absolutely agree. Casca was a fanatic and from my point of view (and also according to Skullknight’s warning on the beach): either Casca will join Griffith (the abuse relationship explanation up there was pretty good, they never break free so easily) or either she will decide to go live her life, put her past behind, and Guts will be alone.
July 12th, 2007 at 2:22 pm
And never heard of the happy ending comment. Only that it wouldn’t be bitter/negative. If someone has the exact quote from Miura…?
July 12th, 2007 at 2:40 pm
At any point, caska will surely recover her memory soon so I don’t think this will play a great part in the conclusion of Berserk since we are just past the half of the developement of the story. I think that Caska joining griffith or Guts side won’t have as much influence in the storyline as we think.
July 12th, 2007 at 3:27 pm
I don’t know if getting back her memories will affect the ending directly but it will certainly be a major turning point. Think about it, this is something that has been anticipated and foreshadowed since the first eclipse, it has to have a big impact. As for the ending itself , i believe that the character that will have the most important role to play is her and Gut’s child.
July 12th, 2007 at 4:30 pm
ok berserk-addicts – it’s precisely 6:27, july 13th in Tokio right now!
stop speculating and start looking for those RAWs
go go pirate ninjas !
July 12th, 2007 at 5:09 pm
Actually most shops open at 8 a.m. (except Shinjuku, where most of them are always open >/////
July 12th, 2007 at 5:26 pm
Hmmm… you said happy endings are subjective… like in massage parlors? I like Berserk, but I would prefer that Miura touch the Berserkaholics with his story.
I think that when Caska’s memory resurfaces, Guts will be the more mature. I think she will likely feel an incredible amount of guilt and anger, and I am counting on Guts to intervene like he always does in some cool way.
It would be cool if Guts sacrificed himself in the end for Caska and his son by becoming another Skull-Knight-like being (whatever or whomever SK may be. I think he’s the Burger King, only dressed up for Halloween). Still, He’ll most likely have his hands full reeling Caska back in, trying to get her to live peacefully.
July 12th, 2007 at 5:50 pm
287 raw is in our hands, the hard work begins.
PS: You guys are going to fucking love this, it fits so well with the topic of conversation here. ^_^
July 12th, 2007 at 6:15 pm
Cool! Now I’ll be continiously pushing the reload button every 5 min for the next 48h :p
July 12th, 2007 at 6:31 pm
SUPER COOL pirate ninjas ! Can’t freaking wait. It fits so well with the topic of conversation here??? You mean the masturbation theory? lol
July 12th, 2007 at 6:54 pm
Excellent, can’t wait
July 12th, 2007 at 7:04 pm
Hmm , you are a sadistic teaser aren’t u ?
July 12th, 2007 at 7:59 pm
I can feel it… fresh scanlations roaring down the tracks; full speed ahead!
July 12th, 2007 at 8:07 pm
Time to bust out the Rammstein and get amped for this new release!
July 12th, 2007 at 8:23 pm
Ahhh…!! And now I wont sleep until it’s out.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:30 pm
Lol , same here, it’s already 4:30 in the morning here and i just can’t sleep . . . I will probably follow Reginald’s example but i think i will listen to Tristania instead .
July 12th, 2007 at 8:43 pm
WOW!! alot of folks on this side and that side of the fence….LOOK WHATEVER HAPPENS, you know it’s gonna be fucked up!!! hell i wouldnt be suprised if guts has to CHOP CASCA IN HALF! or if she becomes intranced by griffiths magnificent BIRDMAN SCHLONG! whatever it is lord knows we wont be around to read it.”at the rate this manga comes out”. i might get lucky and catch the final chapter from the old folks home recroom computer, and right before i drop two ounces of chocolate pudding in my pampers i’ll get treated to a gay sex scene between guts and griffith,”who knew”. . . .
P.S= i bet guts is mega glad he has one good hand,imagine beating your meat with a iron fist!!!! weak!
July 12th, 2007 at 8:44 pm
“Edit: 287 raw is in our hands, the hard work begins. You guys are going to fucking love this, it fits so well with the topic of conversation here. ^_^” I hate you, oh wicked ones that make me wait as you taunt me with your cruel games.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:46 pm
I in my opinion three things can happen.
1)Elf king can’t restore caska memory/sanity. (unlikely but possible)
2)Elf king can restore caska memory/sanity, but guts leaves her/them (as in the whole group) at elfhelm. The only reason he was travelling with other people was because he couldn’t protect caska alone. I know that there was the whole “new comrades” thing but berserk has a recurring theme of Guts doing emotionally self-destructive things.
3)Guts decides it better to leave caska the way she is. Yea she has the mind of a 2 year old but she seems reasonably happy. Plus Guts knows first hand how messed up the memories of the eclipse can make someone. It would be possible that caska will regain her memory later but it will be unknown to guts (left chasing Griffith)
Either way I don’t see the whole, caska regaining her memory then them both setting out on a crusade of revenge against the new Hawks, bit happening.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:58 pm
Saw the RAW guys, couldn’t understand but there’s something “physical” going on between Guts and Casca
July 12th, 2007 at 9:07 pm
Man, looking at the last chapter some more, it’s hard to believe Guts is in one piece and ambling about on the ship. Who the hell needs superhumans when you’ve got Guts, the medieval Ubermensch!
Also, if you’re referring to my earlier post about Caska being vengeful towards Griffith, I never said that they would both set out to off Griffith. I suggested that Guts, having had experience with the God Hand, having fought and nearly died on several occasions for revenge, for Caska, and for the hell of it, would be the one to say “OK, maybe we shouldn’t rush in to things here. We’ve got a good thing going for us at Elf Helm, why not live peacefully?” Caska, on the other hand, hasn’t had a crack at the forces that ripped her life asunder; my guess is that somewhere deep inside Caska’s mind, her old self exists in stasis (Ultimately, Shierke might have the power to go in Caska’s mind, and bring her back out, as she was able to do with Guts to bring him out of his Berserker insanity, only this time it would be much more difficult considering Caska’s prolonged trauma). Caska will most likely attempt to kill herself first, out of remorse and self-loathing for the rape scene, Guts will likely stop her, her anger and vengeance will likely get the better of her, fueled not only by the loss of her comrades, the wounds of Guts, and a betrayed trust, but also the loss of her child at Griffith’s hands. She will probably then leave the others at a loss for words, and convince them to fight Griffith, or set out on her own, in an attempt to find her son/even the score with Griffith. It’s quite possible, as it would be a reversal of characters, with her mindset much like the fiery Guts, and Guts now the cool and collected one, hesitant to fight with the risk of his body being dissolved into the astral world by his armor.
July 12th, 2007 at 9:10 pm
Lots of very interesting speculations here, but I think Miura without a doubt wants Guts to be happy first and foremost in the end(well I hope he does). Which means Caska’s sanity and happiness… So Caska siding with Griffith after everything that’s happened, seems pretty ridonculous to me. I mean, she was raped by him for crying out loud… RAPED!
July 12th, 2007 at 9:13 pm
I might have to blow my brains out all over my bedposts if there’s going to be a reenactment of that scene from “Titanic” where DiCrapio holds the female lead over the bow of the ship with her arms spread out.
Also, I’m a man, but I might be pushed to tears if you guys are just making all this up about this chapter having great relevance to our conversation.
It would be like this -> T_T
July 12th, 2007 at 9:44 pm
Not exactly the Titanic scene, but you’re closer than you think lol
July 12th, 2007 at 10:41 pm
It could be that the Caska shot is just a filler shot that has nothing to do with anything in the story!
They know we can’t wait to get our hands on the next chapter
July 12th, 2007 at 11:14 pm
How diabolical! That’s middle-finger-of-the-Godhand evil!
These clues we’ve been given… they’re making me imagine terrible things like Guts screaming “That’s it! You just had to say “Auuuuu” one more time didn’t you?!!” and promptly jumping from the upper deck onto Caska out of sheer sexual frustration.
It’s purely understandable though, his left hand is mechanical (trust me, if his mechanical prosthesis is anything as good as Ash’s from Army of Darkness, the masturbation theory is debunked), and it has been many months since he has gotten any. Christ, even spider man gets some on a regular basis, and he doesn’t have an inner demon that turns him into a weapon of mass destruction.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:30 pm
You know what… I may fucking love the new release, but it shies in comparison to the work you guys at EG do. I LOVE YOU GUYS… Your hard work fills a small part of me that would be lost without Berserk
THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH!!!!
July 13th, 2007 at 12:22 am
I think that the little witch has some chance to end up with guts and as far the story goes I think I tould prefer that.
I am not saying I don’t like Caska, I always thought she was the perfect match for guts, but I guess when she comes back to herself she will help Guts but won’t be able to let her feeling go free again.
droobles
July 13th, 2007 at 12:50 am
I think were going to be in for a long wait for the next chapter because I did NOT see a date for Chapter 288 on the last page of the raw.
July 13th, 2007 at 5:10 am
@Reginald Funkenstein [78]
Farnese’s totem would be tho dove, of course!
July 13th, 2007 at 5:50 am
Reginald Funkenstein, your posts are fucking amazing, man. Keep it up. =D
“Edit: 287 raw is in our hands, the hard work begins. You guys are going to fucking love this, it fits so well with the topic of conversation here. ^_^”
Really looking forward to this one. Good luck, guys.
July 13th, 2007 at 6:00 am
DON’T TALK ABOUT THE RAW UNTIL THE CHAPTER IS TRANSLATED!!!
If you want to spoil your fun it’s fine with me, but please do not do this to other people – YOU SPOILERS!!! I intentionally did’t read any posts between 116 and this one, so it’s propable that somebody bitched about it allready.
and all hail EG!
July 13th, 2007 at 6:11 am
Is that chapter is the last of the volume 32 ?
July 13th, 2007 at 7:34 am
OK, a wild guess xD does she see sea foam o_O !?!?
July 13th, 2007 at 8:54 am
what does she see?-
well the question does give us some insight. first she sees something doesn´t hear it.
-this means she sees something from a a distance, she is high above deck and naturally she´d see something before the others.
and its not someone, if it were so the question formulated would´ve been “who does she see?”.
as pointed out earlier guts is able to walk or at least he´s not in bed- we can assume he´s healed, yet the injuries sustained were quite severe compared to other battles, so its safe to say a good deal of time has passed
-they´re almost at elfhelm, or they can see it from afar, or- they can see a huge kushan armada approaching, either way we´ll find out soon enough!!!
July 13th, 2007 at 9:16 am
I think i just broke F5 . . .
July 13th, 2007 at 9:17 am
would just like to add that there is a strong chance that our sneak peek is not the entire frame and the angle-keeps me thinking, maybe guts is looking at her diagonal right down,
don´t know that helps at all,
just a thought
ooooooooooooooooooh the speculation!
July 13th, 2007 at 9:57 am
Hmmm she sees… Zodd throwing Femto around on the sea trying to break his record of amount of bounces before he starts sinking
That’s “aaaaauu” enough to me ^^
As for the wild thinking, I did not remember seeing the child being taken away, in what episode is it? I thought during the first fight Guts had against an apostle (that fight is like a myth, just his balls and his sword, no armor…), I thought it was only letting us suppose that the child is dead; gotta watch back… If it’s on a different episode plz tell me… I’d love to check.
Supposing the child is alive (which would explain that weird child that popped about at the seashore, during the SkullKnights warnings to Guts) and totally agreed about Caska – she IS acting maternal; reducing it to “she goes to Guts or she goes to Griffith” is too quick.
As someone already mentioned (sorry about forgetting the names, just read the 130 posts straight in a row), we’re about the half of the development of the manga… The child is growing up.
My question – if it would be one to be dumbed down – what is the child going to do? He/She will affect the course of decisions of Caska – IF she gets memory back… Guts was warned of Caska’s possible reaction, btw I think it would be anger and guilt mixed feelings towards Guts, but certainly not to the point of going “ok cya, I’m off to see Femto, he looks cool as a demon, I’ve got the brand of sacrifice, I’ll see if they’re still hungry and if not, well next time we meet I got new buddies to kick your sorry arse”
What I am saying is… So far, nobody knows how the child feels. Let’s imagine the child can see in the mind of others – souvenirs, for instance. How would the child feel about his father, having the same desire to kill his baby and the anger of a maddened maid?(yes it was an impulsive deed, but the child is making his own judgement, right?) Sounds like history repeating; Femto tainting the child is definitely a plot of his. Child hates his father, feeling as if he is no better than Gambino, seeing how Guts lived it with his own eyes, repeating onto him as he sees Guts trying to kill him. Child builds his judgement, lives some of his own and creates his own feelings. Then he takes some decisions… Caska, if as much as maternal as some of us will think, she will do anything to find him. Caska moving on her own, Guts moving along with her… Kiddo spitting at daddy, Guts feeling as bad as he saw Gambino was… loss of faith and combativity, whatever… see where I’m fabulating to?
Heck… maybe she saw a flying child? ^^
If the child is not on his own and from my (bad) memory in the whole event of the first fight with an apostle, the egg takes the baby. Then it’s Femto taking them or something, maybe errr, raising him?
Oh, maybe the kiddo wants to be “just like him”; Griffith… That Caska lost her mind, I dunno if that was a sudden plan of Femto, everything was just beginning and they were at that right moment, doomed and branded (and still are duh -_-) until the SkullKnight comes over to say hi.
If you’re really thinking about this, actually re-read the passage of forewarnings of the Skullknight about the armor, Caska’s memory… In my opinion I wonder if the Skullknight said that to get Gut’s attention and make sure he will go to Elfhelm, to the cost of a big disappointment? Everything the Skullknight says when warning Guts are really where you should begin to crop some speculations, everything is vague and leaves much liberty to imagination…
Btw anyone noticed? The Skullknight never emmerge from the horizon. It’s always close-up. As if he is always there… I mean, he never leaves them.
My thinking is, Femto AND Skullknight both are crafting their intrigues while the protagonists somewhat end up playing right into their hands. Heck, even Zodd got a prophet on their side, that freaky big eyed girl O_O
July 13th, 2007 at 11:31 am
Actually Casca’s child is inside Griffith . It became a part of him during the second eclipse. The interesting thing is that : A) It seems to be able to control Griffith’s actions to some extend (for example when Casca saw Griffith after the 2nd eclipse) and B) The child can act independently if ofcourse the child that helped Casca and Guts near the sea was one and the same. So i guess Griffith’s sins are going to return and bite him in the ass sometime in the future.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:33 pm
Way to much speculation…. We should just wait a couple of years (maybe 10 or 15 years) and we’ll see who was right.^^
July 13th, 2007 at 2:53 pm
15 years? Optimistic aren’t we
??? Besides, if i really could predict the plot i wouldn’t be following Berserk with such interest. Being unpredictable is one of Miura’s biggest traits . But as you’ve said yourself 15 years is allot of time, and speculating makes the long waiting bearable 
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July 13th, 2007 at 7:07 pm
I’ve got one for all: Which, of any of the people in Guts’ party, could you or would you want to see become an apostle?
I’ve kind of wanted Farnese’s husband-to-be grow really desperate for some reason, I dunno, say he has low blood sugar or something, and get a behelit for his troubles. Weeping like a little bitch, he’ll wish to become all powerful over sugary substances; thus, he will become the newest and most mighty of the apostles: Cookie Monster, with an insatiable appetite for confections and small cuddly animals/children. He could easily be Griffith’s new Lieutenant.
Sorry if I made your eyes bleed with this last post, it’s just that I’ve had a repartee induced seizure from effectively replying to the same shit with reason and disproving it over and over, and it took me a while to stop barking like a dog, frothing at the mouth and regain control of my bowels.
Anywhooooooo,
I’m betting that Puck is going to:
a) remember that he was outcast from Elfhelm in a Jar-Jar Binks-ish manner
b) remember that his father is Hanafubuku Oh
c) remember that HE is Hanafubuku Oh, and say that Caska is shit out of luck.
July 13th, 2007 at 7:16 pm
To be perfectly serious though, I believe that the next major encounter, before or after treating Caska, will be Guts fighting, and killing Grunbeld. This should prove to be a FUCKTACULAR fight (I invented the phrase for Halo multiplayer; it should be used especially in connotations relating to Guts, or Guts cleaning house with his enemies). I also believe that everyone (humans only) in Guts’ party should have a chance at utilizing the berserk armor. Even Isidoro and Shierke; kids need to start early these days!
July 13th, 2007 at 7:21 pm
I don’t think he would be Puck’s father, Grandfather i can see.
What I want to see, is every human on that ship dies and Elfhelm have too build a elf ship for them.
July 13th, 2007 at 7:43 pm
OR, the ultimate goal to end the manga with is having Guts completely transform through his use of the berserk armor into a “perfect being”, thus allowing him passage into the abyss and a chance to destroy the God Hand. Even if he does become an overlord of the interstice, like Skull Knight, I imagine that this pleasant ending to Berserk will keep Guts and Caska together/ allow Guts to raise his child properly. Miura has worked way too hard to just copy the ending from his King of Wolves manga, or any of his other works. It’s kind of the point behind the latest plot developments of the story, to transcend to a brighter, enjoyable ending of the story for the reader. He really must have sat and pondered carefully what would have most upset him, or anyone for that matter, and molded his perfect conclusion into the Eclipse chapters. He has obviously moved past that with the story, its time for the protagonists to have their day!
July 13th, 2007 at 7:57 pm
Griffith has been having the time of his life as the puppeteer of Causality, it’s just a matter of time before this trick explodes in his face like a trick cigar; he’s going to find how badly he screwed up when he finds that Guts, Caska, and their band of companions (Brotherhood of the Wolf? no, no; it was a sweet movie, but we’ll have to get another name for his group) don’t have any strings attached. It seems as if Guts functions antithetically to Griffith; where Griffith furthers the control of causality through his relations with people, Guts seems to sever the control that the Idea of God has on people through his encounters and relationships with others. Furthermore, it seems to be especially true with Guts’ band that so long as people are free of Causality and the Idea of God’s control, their power, and abilities grow. Griffith should have killed Guts and Caska when he had the chance. Oh, wait… silly me, killing Guts has proven to be impossible until now, this is because of strong ties to the Idea of Miura. If he isn’t considered a god already, I know it’s only a matter of time before someone kick-starts the religion.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:26 pm
Last comment for a while, I swear!!!
I just had to interject this since nobody has posted anything for like 3 hours here.
I am almost certain of what Caska saw…
The
Little
MERMAID!!
July 13th, 2007 at 9:33 pm
C’mon pirate ninjas, scanlate faster!!!^^
July 13th, 2007 at 10:31 pm
Nah, not unless it was after the Prince kissed his bride and she turned to foam….
July 13th, 2007 at 10:36 pm
ahh!!! I can’t wait anymore!!! lol
July 13th, 2007 at 10:38 pm
It is not scan-late, oh young padawan, but trans-late…
Phireo
July 13th, 2007 at 11:21 pm
heh heh heh fucktacular, hahaha………..when IS IT GONNA BE READY!!!!!!!! it’s ethier this, or dat crack rock. . . . hell. who am i kidding, i like em both
July 14th, 2007 at 12:31 am
This is the kind of suspense that causes stomach ulcers.
July 14th, 2007 at 12:52 am
Hm, pretty nice posts I did read through them all in my quest to find out what’s wrong with the tracker -for some weird reason it sends me to a weird sign in page with advertisement to buy a server slot or something… no matter how many times i put in my correct username and pass of the forums it wont work
-… anyway… has anyone noticed that Gatts has becomed more like the old Griffith? People randomly following him -his new companions- yet still retaining his Gatts self… with the quote about ‘companions who thought i’d have them again’ yet he still seems to ahve the ability to draw people to him and be followed, just like Griffith did/used to/does-ish, … anyway… that’s all I’ll speculate, I didnt think anything this all just came naturally lol… I NEVER think 
((( anyway! just waiting for the new chapter, though its 10 48 pm moutnain time july 13th… so yeah lol :
July 14th, 2007 at 2:18 am
Well, first off in several places girls do say that Guts isn’t that bad looking in the first place. Then you have the comment from Guts about the leaders and how they have to look like they can lead, as well as survive and other things. On top of that he has actually led before (in the Hawks). Then there is the fact that it is obvious that he knows how to fight. Let’s combine this all together: A not to bad looking guy that knows how to lead, is a good fighter as well as somebody who looks like they can take care of themselves as well as any possible subordinates. Sure he can be very freaky, but I deffinatly can see where he randomly picks up followers. Mind you he has warned EVERY ONE (exept maybe Caska) that it is very dangerous to travel with him and some of thoes ppl still came.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:31 am
I think the reason people are drawn to Guts is because he seems to be the only one who is truly seeing in the chaos that is going on. He inspires the weak (ex. Farnese) to become strong. That, and his strength alone is compelling enough to make anyone want to follow him.
On a side note: Guts is HOT… Girls want him, and boys want to be him.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:55 am
Gatt’s prowess in fights as a mere human against demons is an incredible feat, I think the others, despite his creepy ways feel reassured and feel there is hope to live if they come with him; though I’m saying that mostly for the nobles and such – anyways that noble guy is there for Farnese after all… Dunno I don’t think he’s got something special about drawing people to him, but after seeing so many friends and all eaten raped whatever by demons like they were toys and some guy shows up and give the creatures a beating, I’d sure like to follow him… Especially if all what is left for me would be nothing.
I think Gatts get more people to him because they admire him for his feats in battle and his somewhat anti-hero attitude, it draws naturally curiosity and admiration for the credit he legitimately gets from his actions. Griffith’s way to attract is simply instantaneous, people just can’t shake the feeling of a greater future if they follow him.
I still see Gatts as a curse, (not that I don’t like him, I love the character) just because of the medieval folklore about a born one from a dead person is a bad omen. Whatever he does seems to put him and the rest in trouble… For such a curse he even drawn Griffith’s ambition into desperation the day he matched him again; though if we wanna remain symbolic, how he, as curse can settle things? After all, haven’t the SkullKnight told him not to confront Griffith? Although he didn’t got rid of him while he could, so whatever the SkullKnight’s true role is, Gatts still has something to fullfill.
July 14th, 2007 at 3:44 am
I wonder what will Guts sacrifice for becomming an apostle… Then it will be one hell of a massacre. Then the question will be: Why the god hand dudes are running with no chanse to escape?
I’m sick of Caska (witch in bulgarian means “helmet”), Femto and flying girls around ships. C’mon i want go see Guts’ guts on the flor.
July 14th, 2007 at 3:44 am
i love how other people have noticed guts influence on those around him; this is an idea that i noticed a little while ago (somewhere around the troll chapters), when guts first started killing the trolls and all of the people in the village suddenly got hope and thought “maybe we can win?”, its exactly the same when they arrived in vitranis and guts killed those tiger-demons at the ball, all oif the nobles looked on with awe and felt empowered by the idea that these creatures (no matter how strong) CAN be killed.
i find it funny how at first guts was thought of as the black hawk (although we ultimatly know thats griffith, but the holy see still think guts is) and now he is acting as a beacon of hope for those who he encounters
i still think that the guy who noticed guts in vitranis (i cant remember his name, but he was the one who knew guts as the raider commander for the old hawks) will TRY to connect the dots about:
1) griffiths sudden return
2) guts terrible wounds and leaving of the hawks
3) the inhuman part of griffiths army
i doubt he is going to guess it all straight away, but i can imagine him doing some detective work about all of this
July 14th, 2007 at 6:53 am
Bear with this for a minute:
I think the message of Berserk was fate(destiny) and fighting against fate(destiny), being Guts, the element of unpredictability. He was a “cursed one” since we was born and adopted by Gambino and his wife, so much of the despair and doom has follow him for a while. Skull Knight has advise him that his (and the world) destiny/fate is already mapped and somethings can’t be undone: either he gets his revenge or he let’s it go and lives with Caska (he can’t have both). Furthermore what he desires might not be what Caska desires. But Guts, as unpredictable element as he his to Causality, he is going to change that fate and write his own story/fate/destiny.
I actually can see Caska dying (maybe sacrificing herself, in a very motherly way, to save Guts and/or their child spirit) in the future and leaving Guts alone roaming the earth (Conan the Barbarian, anyone?) for some peace of mind (closure) in a medieval world were war between the two territories continues but without the help of Apostles, and Griffith will lose his human (charisma, etc. that he had before the eclipse) and unhuman power (whatever residues and emanates from him after the Eclipse) and lost in the world (and being be pulled back to the underworld type of hell because some kind of untold and unwritten rule of the Eclipse that we yet don’t know). Miura knows how this is going to end and it wouldn’t be happy end but not a bitter one like Griffith winning with two wife/brides, one for the human world (Charlotte) and other for the Apostle (Caska) , Guts dying (becoming a new Skull Knight of some sort) and the world succumbing to chaos and apostle rule.
At least this is my speculation. Whatever Miura brings into my plate I’ll love it and devourer it…
July 14th, 2007 at 11:03 am
Anyway… How’s the translation/editing/etc. going?
Phireo
July 14th, 2007 at 12:12 pm
Abouy Caska, the Skull Knight said that the King of Elves could help caska in her insanity, but also said that this could even not be what caska truly desires…Caska will never return back, she just wants to have back her the child…
July 14th, 2007 at 12:15 pm
…also the story will repeat, so as Gaisselick had to fight the four angels and seal midgar under the tower od rebirth, so this time Griffith will be defeated but not God and Fate…i can see a child finding a new red behelit and becoming the first new angel of God Hand…
July 14th, 2007 at 1:08 pm
My theory is that the world will fuse with the other side, making humans grow stronger able to rival with the apostles. Or what about this one, maybe Guts is the reason the world balance is slowly being changed. He was born from a corpse how not normal is that.
July 14th, 2007 at 1:19 pm
Yup, because Gaiseric (The ‘R’ suits him better) vanished a thousand years ago… at the same time it is possible that the priest who invoked the angels was in fact becoming the fifth by sacrificing Skull-san, then the angel or the knight, either one, destroyed the other angels… If you remember what the beasts say at the eclipse… A feast that takes place every two and a half centuries… so… at year Zero, Boido(Void)… 250 A.D., Konraddo(Conrad)… 500 A.D., Yuubikku(Ubik)… 750 A.D., Suran(Slan)… And at 1000 A.D., Femuto(Femto)…
The other theory doesn’t make much sense of the hate Skullknight has for Void. It was in fact 216 years between eclipses… So 216, 432, 648, 864, 1080. As it also said that Gaiseric lived MORE that a thousand years ago…
Which would put the Fifth in charge of destroying the angels… Or that there is a new member of the God Hand every thousand years… which would make sense, the last one, the one before Griffith, was a priest, who sacrificed his followers and the country to punish Gaiseric for his crimes… It makes even more sense if you consider that Femto is maybe the strongest of them followed by Void and that Conrad can’t even speak… (but is doesn’t explain Ubik’s glasses…)
Phireo
July 14th, 2007 at 1:23 pm
Midgar? cmon, this isn’t FF7. and the Godhand, which has “5″ fingers, wouldn’t have another member……Well maybe, heheheh, “member”…..oh nevermind. lol
July 14th, 2007 at 4:00 pm
I’m sorry but you’re all wrong.
She sees Skull Knight surfing on the waves
July 14th, 2007 at 4:07 pm
I’m amazed how some people can come to such theories… I mean, I began reading Berserk about 6 or 7 years and I read the whole story between 13 and 16 times and yet you said things that I need to go back and read some passages of the story to remember. Looks like somes are more addicted to berserk than I am.
July 14th, 2007 at 4:31 pm
Or Skull Knight is sunbathing in pink shorts on a nearby island >
July 14th, 2007 at 6:18 pm
sooooo … How is the translation going? I don’t mean it’s going too slow – I know quality translations need time but I’m just curious what percantage of the text is allready translated. It would also be an anwser to my question – should I get myself another coffe or just go to sleep. I’ll stress it again – i don’t think it’s taking too long. EG translations are allways great and worth waiting for, I just am hoping that somebody could tell us all an aproximated time of the relese.
July 14th, 2007 at 6:50 pm
I doubt that miura will end berserk with a lets press the reset button scenario i.e. a new set of god hand being reborn after the fifth member kills them all off. I personally feel that that kind of ending will completely ruin berserk. Yes, Something has to be done about the god hand and the idea of evil but keep in mind that we are only just passing the halfway point in the series and what happens between now(ch. 287) and the end is anyones guess and the only person that nows how berserk will end is miura himself. I’m fairly confident that for as smart as he is that he’s planned the story far beyond what were presently seeing. Hell, I wouldn’t be surprised if he has the ending in place and the only thing that is holding it up is his beyond god like art abilities. I wonder if a manga series such as berserk can be nominated for the Nobel prize in literature, Kentaro Miura sure as hell deserves it and the recognition.
July 14th, 2007 at 7:03 pm
To be nominated for the Nobel prize in literature you need to do more than just write a good moving book.
You need to have a superb use of language, depth and in most cases reflect to something in society. With those there are lots of more points and criteras that has to be fulfilled to even be on the lost of nominies, not to speak of a prize winner.
If it just went on epic winning story, and sales numbers Astrid Lindgren would have won it, and quite a few rather bad writes who just placed good on the Times bestseller list.
So sadly we’ll never get to see Miura get one for Berserk.
July 14th, 2007 at 8:06 pm
I really don’t understand why so many people are inclined to say that Guts is creepy, weird, or such; Guts is becoming penultimately humane and noble with his actions, mindset, and character, you just can’t be so myopic in observing his ways. Guts displays mannerisms of an introvert, when he aids others with their troubles, he tries to hide/mask his compassion and worry for those he cares for. However, as he is so human with his emotions, he holds his grudges.
I will agree to those of you that insist that, in anatomic form, Guts is becoming more than human; Skull Knight did say that his prolonged exposure to the abyss, as well as his new life in the interstice, would change him, make him a far more powerful threat.
July 14th, 2007 at 8:18 pm
I would be willing to bet that, at this point in the story, Guts could defeat any of the apostles in single combat. There are indeed times when this would most likely be exceedingly difficult, such as Irvine, the blind archer, or Rakshas, the shadow assassin, but he is more than ready to start thinning the numbers of Griffith’s elite.
I think Guts’ most dangerous enemy to fight will undoubtedly be Griffith, and it could likely be a nearly impossible fight, even if only Griffith was left to fight with Guts. Though it was naught more than a dream, Griffith subjugated Zodd with one strike that was almost imperceptible to the reader.
Also, I wish to thank the staff of E.G. for their hard work, and also for driving me insane as I think about the possibilities of this chapter.
July 14th, 2007 at 8:20 pm
hey guys if you’re really curious a kind soul did a translation on the mangahelpers forum. I love EG but for you with no sense of self control to wait any longer I know how you feel too
July 14th, 2007 at 8:26 pm
Oh, I got it! she’s seeing an armada out there full of the daka. Now they’re all F*cked. Not if Guts has anything to do with it! ah, but he is still healing and cannot fight, so mister mustache armor comes out to jam his staff where the sun dont shine! that’ll show em whats what.
July 14th, 2007 at 8:30 pm
Yeahhhhh, you know what?
I think I’ll just wait for E.G.’s version to come out. There have been times when the quality of translations from other translating groups has ruined my enjoyment of the chapter. The releases are too few and far between, and I am far too serious about Berserk to trust any other translators.
July 14th, 2007 at 8:47 pm
@Reginald – Eldo says “Heh, thanks for the vote of confidence.” as he works his magic on kinda medium quality raws. Mystic, EG’s wonder translator also said “;) awesome”.
That is the kind of stuff that motivates us to do it faster and better.
All I can say is just a bit more patience.
The men in black are working on it right this very second.
July 14th, 2007 at 8:59 pm
Seriously though, there was a slew of abominable Berserk translations for key chapters in the past, and this was the only nexus worthy of respect. Quality over quantity is the operative phrase; we need no further proof of this than Miura sensei himself.
I’m gonna pick up my favorite trilogy RTS war game for a few hours and get ownified; that will keep the hamster in my skull busy spinning for a few hours. I imagine it’s tasking for the production side though, like being the only supplier of “enlightenment” in a city of 5 million junkies.
July 14th, 2007 at 10:28 pm
I gotta agree with the posts above, when it comes to Berserk quality is needed. I’ve seen some bad quality releases from other groups, some would leave out entire bubbles of text and leave incomplete sentences.
July 14th, 2007 at 10:48 pm
Exactly. Such was true of a particularly bad translation of Lord Vandimion’s banquet speech; I suppose that the translator thought that it was unimportant, and thus left an empty speech bubble, but that kind of ignorance toward detail is horrendous.
That, and we are approaching critical chapter releases; I, for one, would be furious if [certain plot developments] occurred and the speech bubbles were left entirely blank. Everything said in Berserk has its importance, and the more accurately something is translated, the more entirely Miura’s vision is conveyed to us.
July 14th, 2007 at 10:53 pm
Keep it up guys!!!
@psi29a: was there any problem with the raw scans? You seem to mention that it was MQ…
But, there’s nothing to worry since the quality you guys have been releasing is really high. By the way any news on more breaction chapters?
July 14th, 2007 at 11:46 pm
As for the nobel prize comment, berserk is not just an epic story, it’s full of metaphors and it IS all about society . Even Miura has stated that his biggest influence is what’s going on in the world every day. Griffith is a great paradigm of what goes wrong in the world especially with our leaders and ofcourse with us that select them and feel the need to have them for that matter. Berserk comments on religion, morals, the nature of freedom and truth and so many other things … And lets not talk about the depth of the characters … If you read it for the epic portions thats fine but that doesn’t mean those parts are all there is to it.